Charge on Semicircle: Electric Field Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electric field generated by a charge distributed along a semicircular arc, contrasting it with a full circular ring. Participants explore how the change in geometry affects the equations used to calculate the electric field components.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the absence of an opposing force in a semicircle changes the electric field equation, prompting a reevaluation of the integral used for calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that while the vertical component of the electric field can be calculated easily, the horizontal component will require a separate integral due to the loss of symmetry.
  • A participant indicates that both components of the electric field need to be considered, implying that two separate calculations are necessary.
  • There is a discussion about the form of the electric field equation, with one participant questioning the reasonableness of a proposed expression involving the charge and geometric parameters.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the notation used for the vertical component, questioning whether 'Z' and 'z' refer to the same quantity and the implications for the direction of the electric field.
  • One participant requests to see the complete work to identify potential errors in the calculations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the semicircular geometry on the electric field calculations, with no consensus reached on the correctness of the proposed equations or the interpretation of variables.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the integration process for the electric field components and the definitions of variables used in the equations.

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Homework Statement


This is not a homework problem so there is no problem statement. More of a conceptual question.

Consider a charge on a ring:
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If this was a semicircle opposed to a ring, how would this change the equation since there is not an opposing dEr force.

<br /> <br /> \boldsymbol{E} = \boldsymbol{\hat{z}} \frac{\rho_l R(-\hat{\boldsymbol{r}}R + \hat{\boldsymbol{z}Z})}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0 (R^2 + Z^2)^{3/2}}\int_{0}^{\pi }d\phi <br /> <br />
 
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The vertical component is still easy to calculate (as you just have a smaller part of the ring contributing to it), but the other component (due to the broken symmetry it does not vanish any more) will need its own integral. No idea how easy/messy that gets.
 
So I would have to do it twice.

dE = dEr + dEz
 
The integrals are different, but yes.
 
Does this look reasonable:

<br /> <br /> \frac{Q}{4\pi \varepsilon_0(R^2 + Z^2)^{3/2} }(Z\hat{z}-R\hat{r})<br /> <br />
 
Z and z are the same?

That would mean the electric field points in the same direction as the "r" line in the sketch. No, that cannot work.
It would be easier to find the error if you show your whole work.
 

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