Charges placed at corners of a square

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of electric potential at the center of a square formed by charges placed at its corners. The problem involves understanding the principles of electric potential and the effects of multiple charges on a point in space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the superposition principle for electric potential and question the implications of equilibrium at the center of the square. There is a discussion about whether the potential at the center can be zero and the conditions under which potential values can be defined.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of electric potential and its calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of symmetry and the need to calculate the potential from each charge, while questions about the implications of equilibrium and potential values remain open.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of electric potential in a multi-charge system, with an emphasis on the assumptions related to potential values and the significance of potential differences.

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What would be the general approach to the problem? This isn't a homework question..

Q: Charges of +4.8 are placed on corners of square, each side being 8m. What is the electric potential at the center of the square?
 
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The potential satisfies a superposition principle. So V(r) = V1(r) + V2(r) + ... + Vn(r), where Vi(r) is the position at position r due to the i-th charge.

In this case, you can use the symmetry, so at the origin
V(0) = 4 V1(0)
with V1(0) the potential at the origin due to a charge on one corner of the square.

Note that the electric field at the origin will be zero, as the origin is an equilibrium point: all the charges are attracting or repelling your test charge with the same force, so it will stay put.
 
Thank you. Does that imply that the center of the square would have zero potential?
 
No. Do the calculation. Figure out the electric potential induced by each charge.
 
Recall that the force on the charge is F = q E, with q the charge and E the electric field, while E = -grad V, with V the potential.
So it only implies that V is at a local minimum or maximum (or saddle point) such that grad V = 0, it doesn't say anything about the value of V. (Of course, if you want, you can make it 0 by shifting the potential everywhere by some constant. The reason is that only potential differences have physical meaning, so we can always choose the value of the potential at one point. Usually we let it be zero at some point infinitely far away, though, from which the textbook formula for the potential of a point charge derives).
 

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