Charging a magnetically levitating sphere to 1 gigavolt in a high vacuum

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and limitations of charging a magnetically levitating sphere to high voltages, specifically 1 gigavolt, using an electron beam in an ultra high vacuum environment. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects, including the effects of surface characteristics, electron beam energy, and the geometry of the setup.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the behavior of electrons impacting the sphere, asking whether they would stick or splash off, and considers the implications of having a hole drilled into the sphere.
  • Another participant references the Van de Graaff Generator, suggesting that field electron emission could be a limiting factor due to quantum-mechanical tunneling of electrons from the surface into the vacuum.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for a discharge event if stray electrons or cosmic rays interact with the sphere, which could lead to significant energy release and damage to equipment.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of the sphere's dimensions and surface characteristics, noting that irregularities could lead to field emission and high-density currents, complicating the charging process.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the vacuum chamber's size and proximity to the sphere, which could affect the electric field gradient and overall charging capability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various concerns and hypotheses regarding the charging process, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on the specific limits or behaviors of the system under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight several limitations, including the need for precise definitions of the electron beam energy, sphere dimensions, surface smoothness, and the size of the ultra high vacuum vessel. These factors are noted as critical to understanding the charging limits but remain unresolved in the discussion.

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What sort of limits would be encountered if you tried to charge a magnetically levitating sphere to as high a voltage as possible in an ultra high vacuum by using an electron beam aimed at the sphere? Assume the sphere is highly spherical and polished.

If electrons have sufficient energy to impact the sphere, would they stick or splash off? What if there was a hole drilled into the sphere such that the electrons impact the inside surface of the hollow sphere. Would the maximum possible charge on the sphere be higher then?
 
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The potential relative to infinity is Q/(4 pi eps_0 r), the field strength at the surface is Q/(4 pi eps_0 r^(2)), let's use 10 V/nm as limit, then we get r = 1GV/(10V/nm) = 10 cm. This doesn't sound bad, but direct field emission wouldn't be the limit. An electron leaving the sphere, just a stray electron from the beam, or even a random electron released from cosmic rays would hit the vacuum chamber at an energy of 1 GeV. More than enough energy to produce a couple of ions, which then accelerate towards the sphere, hitting it at an energy of 1 GeV or more. They will kick out many electrons, accelerating towards the vacuum chamber again and so on. You'll get a gigantic discharge, destroying the equipment in the process (stored energy is 5.5 MJ).

MV equipment is usually operated with SF6 as gas. It prevents this kind of discharge. You can reach something like 30 kV/mm. The same calculation as above leads to r=33 m. Good luck levitating that (electrostatic levitation sounds interesting).
In the calculation above I assumed that the other electrode is "at infinity" - which means the room would need a radius that is very large compared to 33 m. If that is impractical then the radius of the sphere must increase even more.
Oh, and did I mention that you need pressurized SF6? This giant building is like a bomb in case the pressure vessel fails.
 
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Summary:: What sort of limits would be encountered if you tried to charge a magnetically levitating sphere in an ultra high vacuum by using an electron beam aimed at the sphere? Could you charge the sphere to a potential in the range of a gigavolt or more?

What sort of limits would be encountered if you tried to charge a magnetically levitating sphere to as high a voltage as possible in an ultra high vacuum by using an electron beam aimed at the sphere? Assume the sphere is highly spherical and polished.

If electrons have sufficient energy to impact the sphere, would they stick or splash off? What if there was a hole drilled into the sphere such that the electrons impact the inside surface of the hollow sphere. Would the maximum possible charge on the sphere be higher then?

This description is full of holes.

1. What is the energy of the electron beam? If it is just the order of eV, then at some point charging effects on the sphere can easily repel the beam from hitting it.

2. What is the dimension of the sphere? This tells you how much charge it can hold before it will start spewing out its own charge.

3. What is the nature of the surface of the charge? Again, at some point, field-emission will take over. The degree of smoothness (nothing is perfectly smooth, and even grain boundaries has been shown to be center of emitters) will dictate how quickly the sphere will start leaking charges.

4. What is the UHV vessel and how big is it? There is a difference between estimating the boundary where V=0 to be far away versus something that is only 10 cm away. The distance between the sphere and the grounded walls of the UHV vessel WILL dictate the strength of the electric field gradient.

etc... Like I said, there are major holes in the details here.

Zz.
 
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The potential relative to infinity is Q/(4 pi eps_0 r), the field strength at the surface is Q/(4 pi eps_0 r^(2)), let's use 10 V/nm as limit, then we get r = 1GV/(10V/nm) = 10 cm. This doesn't sound bad, but direct field emission wouldn't be the limit.

There are other practical/technological limits related to the direct field emission mechanism as well. In order to be charged to 1 GV, the surface of R=1 m sphere placed in ultrahigh vacuum must be incredibly smooth. Small irregularities (on nanometer scale) would cause powerful emission and high density currents. This kind of problems are met in medium voltage vacuum circuit breakers where the allowed max field is less than 1MV/cm
 
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