Cheap Heating with Microwaves: Is it Possible?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using microwaves as a method for heating rooms or water systems, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects. Participants consider the efficiency, safety, and potential applications of microwave heating in domestic settings, as well as the limitations of current technology.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using microwaves to heat air could be a cheap and efficient alternative to traditional heating methods, questioning why this technology isn't more common.
  • Another participant points out that microwaves are specifically tuned to heat water and not air, raising concerns about the practicality of heating gases like nitrogen or oxygen.
  • Some participants discuss the efficiency of heaters, noting that while electric heaters can be nearly 100% efficient, central heating systems may only achieve around 85% efficiency, suggesting that microwave heating could be more effective.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of using microwaves in domestic environments, with one participant mentioning potential health risks such as sterility and cataracts.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of microwave heating compared to traditional methods, with some suggesting that microwaves could heat water more quickly and evenly than conventional electric heating elements.
  • One participant acknowledges that while microwaves primarily heat water and hydrogen-bonded molecules, there may still be potential for heating water in central heating systems or immersion heaters.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to understand the molecular frequencies of gases to determine if microwave heating could be effective, while also noting the engineering challenges involved in safely implementing such a system.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the overall efficiency of microwave heating for gases, suggesting that it may not be practical.
  • A later reply mentions that industrial microwave systems can be more efficient than conventional heating in certain applications, although this may not always translate to domestic use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility or safety of using microwaves for heating air or water in domestic settings. Multiple competing views remain regarding the efficiency and practicality of such systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the molecular interactions involved in microwave heating of gases, as well as the need for further exploration of safety and engineering challenges. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of efficiency in heating technologies.

  • #31
Just use Visible Light waves to heat up. Wear all black and stand near the window and absorb the light.
 
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  • #32
or wear a sweater
 
  • #33
Sounds like you're a victim of location.

I purposely moved to an area that hardly ever drops below 40*F and never gets above 75*F all year around. I never want to live in triple digits ever again. I save hundreds of dollars living where I am at, Maybe you could research an area like I did and pack up and go. just about every town has an information census including weather patterns online.

In my town there are no air conditioners installed on any houses and we use high efficiency pellet stoves during the cold season, Generally don't need it because the house is well insulated.

You will save yourself a lot of money and live more comfortable.
 
  • #34
Just bumping this a bit

BRYAN said:
This is an article from 2003 and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this type of equipment?


Web Exclusive--Electro Silica Announces New Water Heating Systems


Electro Silica has developed a new technology for heating and purifying water.
Electro Silica has announced that it has developed a new way for heating and purifying water. The company applies a new technology to water treatment, offering an

efficient water heater powered by a clean and renewable energy. It offers the ability to save water and energy using microwave technology.


How Do Microwave Water Heating Systems Work?


Mains water enters into the Electro Silica boiler as the user requires. The heating system will be controlled by taps, heating timing devices, or the demands of an industrial process. As a demand for water is made, the magnetron fires up and bombards it with microwaves. These microwaves excite the water molecules, providing heat to the required temperature. Water exits the unit into either the heating system or the hot water pipes.



The Chamber Design Is the Difference
The microwave continuous flow and linear water heater consists of a closed chamber into which microwaves at a frequency of 2,450 mhz are introduced via magnetrons. The water heater is characterized by a chamber of the truncated conical section with a concave base of stainless steel, wherein no adjacent sections are at right angles, thus preventing generation of refraction and diffraction waves.The base of the chamber serves as a reflecting dish to direct energy towards the silica-based flexible coil disposed against the chamber wall. The coil is a spiral led inside the chamber and is terminated to inlet and outlet glands. These allow for a continuous flow of water to pass through the coil in any direction, depending upon the application and/or the plumbing arrangements in which it is being used.



How Safe Is Electro Silica?
The water heater produces fewer emissions than a microwave oven or even a mobile phone, with no risks of explosions or carbon monoxide. It is equipped with a heating automatic control system, water temperature and level display, and temperature automatic control.


http://www.pmengineer.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/BNP__Features__Item/0,2732,96706,00.html


I'm new to this forum and I wanted to know if any other members have heard of this product and or have used it in an actual application?

I have my own HVAC business and I'm currently in the process of statrting my own Biodiesel production refinery in southern PA.

I wanted a safe and effictive to heat water used in the process.

Any Input received about this or any other similar device would be very helpful...
Bryan
 
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  • #35
Missed this before:
the blob inc said:
why not use uv-radiation not only could You heat air or water but you could also kill off germs and other such molds, bacteria, and perhaps viruses in one fail swoop.
UV is dangerous: it is ionizing and it causes cancer.
 
  • #36
The concept of a microwave water heater has been around for many many years and there is a reason why it has never become commercial. It's really very simple, it is too expensive. Conventional water heaters work with immersion rods or coils that are almost 100% efficient when transferring electrical energy to heat. On the other hand, a microwave-generator and power source, such as a magnetron, is only about 50% efficient, so the electrical usage would be twice that of a conventional water heater. On top of that, the capital cost would be much higher for a microwave water heater by comparison to a simple immersion heater.

As to the heating the air with microwaves, that won't work because air, nitrogen, and other gases are totally transparent to microwave energy so there would be no heat generation. There was an interesting concept put forth by Professor Pound at Harvard, who died last year, and that was to use the microwave energy to create a “people heater”, i.e. the microwaves would heat only the people and other objects in the room and not the air. Obviously, it was never put into practice–can you imagine how terrified people would be of microwave radiation in a room? After all, many people are terrified of cell phone radiation.
 

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