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The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit to determine the power delivered by a dependent voltage source, given a specific voltage and current. Participants explore the implications of current direction and the associated signs in calculations, as well as the application of Kirchhoff's laws.

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  • One participant calculates the power delivered by the dependent voltage source as 80V * 21.6A = 1728W, but expresses uncertainty about the sign of the power based on their teacher's note regarding polarity.
  • Another participant questions how to determine the actual direction of current flow, noting that reversing values still seems to yield valid results.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of current direction assumptions, with one participant stating that if the current flows into the positive terminal of a voltage source, it indicates the source is absorbing power.
  • Participants acknowledge the importance of checking signs in calculations and agree that the math will clarify any incorrect assumptions about current direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of current direction and its effect on power calculations. There is no consensus on how to definitively determine the direction of current flow or the implications of the teacher's note regarding polarity.

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Participants mention potential errors in their calculations and the importance of verifying assumptions about current direction. The discussion highlights the complexity of circuit analysis and the need for careful consideration of signs in power calculations.

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Students and individuals studying circuit analysis, particularly those grappling with the concepts of power delivery, current direction, and the application of Kirchhoff's laws.

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I believe I have solved this circuit correctly. Each loop and node satisfies KVL and KCL, respectively. All I was given was Vg=528V.

The question is as follows: "Find the power delivered by the dependent voltage source."

Currently my answer is 80V*21.6A=1728W, but I want to be sure because I need to get it right.

Here's the thing! My teacher said 'if the dependent voltage comes out to be negative (opposite in polarity to what is shown in the circuit), in that case you must include a negative sign in your answer for the power delivered by the voltage source'.

This note from my teacher is making me doubt myself. If I flip the direction of every current then the circuit still works, right? That would cause the dependent source to have a negative value and the power in my final answer would become negative too.

I don't know which one it is or how to be sure.
 
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slh3410 said:
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I believe I have solved this circuit correctly. Each loop and node satisfies KVL and KCL, respectively. All I was given was Vg=528V.

The question is as follows: "Find the power delivered by the dependent voltage source."

Currently my answer is 80V*21.6A=1728W, but I want to be sure because I need to get it right.

Here's the thing! My teacher said 'if the dependent voltage comes out to be negative (opposite in polarity to what is shown in the circuit), in that case you must include a negative sign in your answer for the power delivered by the voltage source'.

This note from my teacher is making me doubt myself. If I flip the direction of every current then the circuit still works, right? That would cause the dependent source to have a negative value and the power in my final answer would become negative too.

I don't know which one it is or how to be sure.

[STRIKE]Can you show your work for finding your circuit current values? I'm not seeing the same results.[/STRIKE]

EDIT: Hang on, I'm checking my work! May have mucked up a loop...
EDIT: Never mind. I botched a sign in a loop equation (AURGH! I hat when that happens). Your values look okay to me now.

Your teachers note is implying that if it turns out that current is actually flowing INTO the defined "+" terminal of a voltage source rather than OUT of it, then the source is sinking (absorbing) power rather than sourcing (injecting) power into the circuit.
 
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Thanks a lot for the reply. I guess my question is, how do I know which way the current is actually flowing? If I reverse all the values then the circuit still seems like it works.

Do I just start the current flow out of the positive independent voltage? Do you agree that "The power delivered by the dependent voltage source is 1728W"?
 
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Thanks a lot for the reply. I guess my question is, how do I know which way the current is actually flowing? If I reverse all the values then the circuit still seems like it works.

Do I just start the current flow out of the positive independent voltage? Do you agree that "The power delivered by the dependent voltage source is 1728W"?

You always begin by making assumptions about current directions, then write the equations accordingly and solve. If a current turns out to be negative then your assumption for the current direction was incorrect. No problem! The math will always tell you if your assumptions were wrong. In fact, it really means that there are no bad assumptions for current direction -- the math will lead you to the correct answer no matter what.
 
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So assuming all those values in the picture are good, it's correct to say the power delivered by the independent source is 80V*21.6A=1728W?

I really don't get why my teacher would go out of their way to essentially say "watch your sign!" when it's all positive and straightforward. Makes me think I'm getting it wrong.
 
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So assuming all those values in the picture are good, it's correct to say the power delivered by the independent source is 80V*21.6A=1728W?
Yup. Looks okay to me.

I really don't get why my teacher would go out of their way to essentially say "watch your sign!" when it's all positive and straightforward. Makes me think I'm getting it wrong.
Well, it's certainly important to always beware of the signs and check them every time when figuring the power contribution of a source.
 
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Thanks very much gneill
 

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