: chemistry qs: write the equillibrim constant for the reverse reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the equilibrium constant for the reverse reaction of a given chemical equilibrium involving hydrogen bromide (HBr), hydrogen (H2), and bromine (Br2). Participants explore the relationship between the equilibrium constants of forward and reverse reactions, including attempts to derive the value of the reverse equilibrium constant from the provided information.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the equilibrium constant for the forward reaction is 2.0 x 10^4 and questions how to find the equilibrium constant for the reverse reaction.
  • Another participant suggests that the reverse reaction's equilibrium constant can be derived from the forward reaction's constant.
  • There is a discussion about the equations for reaction rates and their relevance to determining the equilibrium constant.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their equations and calculations, particularly regarding the presence of HBr and I2 in their equations.
  • One participant proposes that K for the reverse reaction should be K = [HBr]^2/[H2][Br2], but questions how to derive its value.
  • Another participant mentions that K1 multiplied by K2 equals 1, implying a relationship between the two constants.
  • There are corrections and challenges regarding the formulation of the equilibrium expressions, with some participants noting errors in earlier equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the equilibrium constants or the calculations involved. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the correct approach to finding the reverse equilibrium constant.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' equations contain errors, particularly in the representation of the chemical species involved. There is also uncertainty regarding the calculations leading to the value of K for the reverse reaction.

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URGENT: chemistry qs: write the equillibrim constant for the reverse reaction

Homework Statement



2. The equilibrium constant for the following reaction is 2.0 10^ 4

2HBr(g)  H2(g)  Br2(g)


Homework Equations



b) What is the equilibrium constant for the reverse reaction?


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't think this is right but

2.0 x 10^4 = (Br2)(H2)/(HBr)^2
2.0 x 10^4 = (x)(x)/(2x)^2
2.0 x 10^4 = 1/4

so for the reverse reaction K = 4 * 2.0 x 10^4.
 
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crosbykins said:

I don't think this is right but

You're right, it's not :) but this is right:

crosbykins said:

2.0 x 10^4 = (Br2)(H2)/(HBr)^2

If that is the forward reaction, what would be the equation for the reverse reaction? (it might be easier to to just think of it as k = (A)(B)/(C) for C --> A + B )
 


In equilibrium the forward and reverse reaction rates are the same.

Do you know what the equations for the reaction rates for each side are?
 


p21bass said:
In equilibrium the forward and reverse reaction rates are the same.

Do you know what the equations for the reaction rates for each side are?

While it can be done through reaction rates - it is unnecessary complication. It can be done much faster and much easier just by writing the equation for the reverse reaction (see zhermes post).
 


zhermes said:
You're right, it's not :) but this is right:


If that is the forward reaction, what would be the equation for the reverse reaction? (it might be easier to to just think of it as k = (A)(B)/(C) for C --> A + B )

ok it would be K = [HBr]^2/

[I2]

but how does that give the the value of K?

 


Borek said:
While it can be done through reaction rates - it is unnecessary complication. It can be done much faster and much easier just by writing the equation for the reverse reaction (see zhermes post).

ok so the equation for the reverse reaction is 2HBr -> H2 + I2 and K = [HBr]^2/

[I2]

...how can i get the value of K from this

 


[tex]K_1 = \frac {[H_2][Br_2]} {[HBr]^2} = 2 \times 10^4[/tex]

[tex]K_2 = \frac {[HBr]^2} {[H_2][Br_2]}[/tex]

If you still don't see the answer, try to calculate K1xK2.

Edit: note, that most of your equations are incorrect as they have HBr on one side of the reaction, I2 on the second.
 


Borek said:
[tex]K_1 = \frac {[H_2][Br_2]} {[HBr]^2} = 2 \times 10^4[/tex]

[tex]K_2 = \frac {[HBr]^2} {[H_2][Br_2]}[/tex]

If you still don't see the answer, try to calculate K1xK2.

Edit: note, that most of your equations are incorrect as they have HBr on one side of the reaction, I2 on the second.

so K1 * K2 =1

that means K 2 must equal 1/2*10^ 4
 
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Wasn't that hard.
 
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crosbykins said:
so K1 * K2 =1

that means K 2 must equal 1/2*10^ 4

Not quite, try multiplying K1 and K2 to check.
 

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