Cherenkov Radiation in Vacuum: Can Superluminal Particles Emit Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the theoretical implications of superluminal particles, specifically tachyons, and their potential to emit Cherenkov radiation in a vacuum. Participants explore the conditions under which such radiation could occur, the mechanisms involved, and the validity of existing arguments based on electrodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the argument that tachyons could emit Cherenkov radiation in a vacuum, noting that Cherenkov radiation typically requires a medium to polarize and de-polarize.
  • Another participant suggests that tachyons could emit photons in a vacuum while conserving energy and momentum, challenging the need for a medium.
  • A participant raises a concern about the angular distribution of emitted radiation, questioning why it would resemble the Cherenkov effect if the mechanisms differ.
  • Some participants propose that the emitted photons might have a specific angle relative to the flight direction, suggesting a similarity in mechanism.
  • There is a contention that the absence of coherence in a vacuum means the mechanism cannot be the same as in a medium, prompting requests for documentation on the subject.
  • One participant references a publication discussing Cherenkov radiation for superluminal neutrinos, indicating interest in related research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Cherenkov radiation can occur in a vacuum and the mechanisms involved. There is no consensus on the validity of the arguments presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their arguments, including the dependence on definitions of coherence and the specific conditions required for Cherenkov radiation. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the angular distribution of emitted radiation.

e.chaniotakis
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Hello!
The question refers to the supposed tachyons. Many experiments have been conducted based on cosmic ray studies with the following assumption:
" If particles with u>c exist then they should emit Cherenkov radiation in vacuum. Thus... Let's detect it!"
How can this argument stand?
Electrodynamics tells us that Cherenkov radiation is created when a particle travels through a medium with speed higher than the speed of light in the medium. The molecules of the medium are polarized and de-polarized resulting in the emission of photons. The u>c argument leads in coherence and the observed angular distribution of the radiation.
But the above need a medium ! Vacuum has no molecules, so ,theoretically, how could it emit?
Thank you
 
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You don't need polarization of a medium - this is just a way to slow light down.

In vacuum, a tachyon can emit a photon and conserve both energy and momentum in that process - something not possible for other particles.
 
Ok. But why on Earth it would have the same angular distribution as the cherenkov effect?
 
It is the same mechanism, I think the emitted photons would have to have some special angle relative to the flight direction.
 
It cannot be the same mechanism, since there is no coherence!
Have you got any documentation on the subject?
 
There was some publication (or at least an arXiv preprint) discussing Cherenkov radiation for superluminal neutrinos, that might be interesting.
It cannot be the same mechanism, since there is no coherence!
There is no need to have any coherence in some material. Vacuum is fine.
 

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