Chest X-ray Radiation and Its Impact on Other Body Parts

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The discussion centers on the radiation exposure from chest X-rays and its potential impact on other body parts, particularly in the absence of shielding. Participants explore the extent of scattered radiation, the dosages involved, and the implications for safety and medical practice.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the amount of radiation from a chest X-ray that reaches areas outside the chest, such as the lower abdomen, particularly without the use of shielding.
  • One participant explains that X-ray machines are designed to focus the beam on the chest and that shielding materials are used to limit exposure.
  • Another participant provides specific dosages, noting that a chest X-ray typically delivers a dose of about 0.1 mSv, with significantly lower doses to non-target areas like the testes.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety protocols followed by X-ray technicians, with one participant comparing the situation to other hazardous activities where safety gear is essential.
  • Some participants reference the background radiation exposure and discuss the allowable limits for radiation exposure for both the general public and radiation workers, emphasizing the importance of context in medical exposures.
  • There is mention of the ALARA principle, which aims to keep radiation exposure as low as reasonably achievable, considering social and economic factors.
  • One participant highlights the difference between occupational and medical exposures, noting that medical professionals weigh the risks and benefits of radiation on a case-by-case basis.
  • Another participant mentions that some labs provide guidelines on the number of chest X-rays a person can have in a year, suggesting that these guidelines may be simplified to alleviate patient concerns.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the safety and implications of radiation exposure from chest X-rays. There is no consensus on the necessity or effectiveness of shielding, and the discussion reflects differing opinions on the interpretation of exposure limits and safety protocols.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the actual dose calculations depend on various factors, including the specific characteristics of the X-ray spectrum, the size of the field, and the distance from the source. Additionally, the discussion highlights the complexity of balancing radiation exposure risks with the benefits of medical imaging.

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If you have chest x-ray of the lungs.. how much of the x-ray radiation goes to other parts of the body (like the lower abdomen)? Or do the machines just focus the beam on the chest?
 
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Google "x-ray shielding."
 
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Google "x-ray shielding."

I meant without using any x-ray shielding or apron.. what is the levels of scattered x-ray (how many photons say per square inch) that goes to other parts of the body if it's a chest x-ray?
 
An x-ray tube is encased in some kind of shielding material, with a "window" that allows the x-rays to escape through it only. Typically the imager will also be equipped with blades which allow technicians to define the shape and size of the aperture, so that they only irradiate the relevant portion of the body.

The radiation dose (energy per unit mass) from a chest x-ray is typically on the order of 10-4 Gy to the skin on the entrance surface. The deeper you go, the less dose is received. And the details of the actual dose calculation will depend on the specific characteristics of the x-ray spectrum you produce, the size of the field, how far you are from the source, and the quality of the image that you want to produce. In the industry, often to characterize the dose output from a machine, a quantity called air kerma is specified - the amount of energy released per unit mass of air.

Outside of the directly irradiated area, the patient will still receive some dose from scattered and leakage radiation. During a chest x-ray the dose to the testes on a male is roughly 4 orders of magnitude less than the dose to the directly irradiated area.

In terms of radiation protection all of this is converted into the mSv unit, which is a way to assess relative risk accounting for the approximate sensitivity of the organs that are directly irradiated and details of the radiation type that is used (alpha particles, for example do more damage per unit dose than photons). A typical chest x-ray delivers about 0.1 mSv. For reference, most people receive a background radiation dose on the order of 2-3 mSv/year.
 
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cube137 said:
I meant without using any x-ray shielding or apron.

Why? If the X-ray technician is not following proper safety protocol you should run the other way. If they are then it is irrelevant. It's kind of like asking "How long can I arc weld before I go blind? I mean if I'm not wearing welding goggles."

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Here is some perspective. Based on this easy to understand chart (it is a comic BTW) there is radiation exposure from eating single banana. Note the amounts in xrays:

https://xkcd.com/radiation/

My point: @rbelli nailed it - there is risk of exposure with xrays and living on the Earth -- and unacceptable risk with idiots running xray equipment. Seems to me this whole thing is a no-brainer. The reason is people hear the word 'radiation' and go unreasonably non-linear.
 
As Choppy mentioined above, a chest X-ray typically delivers a dose of 0.1 mSv. Non-radiation workers are allowed an exposure of 20 mSv/year; radiation workers 50 mSv. Deduct the 2-3 mSv/year that we get from the environment. That leaves us with 17-18 mSv/year of allowable exposure. From a clinical point of view, that means we can have as many as 170 chest X-rays in a year (17 per year divided by 0.1 per chest X-ray). The link by Jim shows a good chart.
 
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As Choppy mentioined above, a chest X-ray typically delivers a dose of 0.1 mSv. Non-radiation workers are allowed an exposure of 20 mSv/year; radiation workers 50 mSv. Deduct the 2-3 mSv/year that we get from the environment. That leaves us with 17-18 mSv/year of allowable exposure. From a clinical point of view, that means we can have as many as 170 chest X-rays in a year (17 per year divided by 0.1 per chest X-ray). The link by Jim shows a good chart.

I think some clarification is warranted here.

First, in terms of allowed exposures - this is something that is going to depend on regional legislation. The ICRP and IAEA recommend that members of the general public be exposed to less than 1 mSv per year and this is the most commonly adopted value in most countries. And the general approach to protection is guided by the ALARA principle (as low as reasonably achievable, social and economic factors accounted for). So radiation facilities are typically designed to keep exposures well below (by orders of magnitude) this limit.

The 20 mSv/yr typically applies to radiation or nuclear energy workers. There are details in the application though. In Canada a nuclear energy worker can be expose to a maximum of 50 mSv in any given year, but cannot receive more than 100 mSv over a period of 5 years.

Second, the legal exposure limits apply to controllable sources of radiation, not to natural background. These are not cumulative.

Third, there is a big difference between occupational /general public exposures and medical exposures. They are also not cumulative from a legal or radiation protection standpoint.

Medical exposures are separate from other exposure limits. That is because there is a balance between the risks associated with radiation exposure and the benefits of accurate medical diagnosis and treatment. So a patient is not limited to ten chest x-rays (10 x 0.1 = 1 mSv) per year. Professionals who are qualified to order x-ray studies (or other radiation procedures) are trained to weigh these benefits on a case-by-case basis. So if a patient needs an eleventh chest x-ray in a year to accurately asses a flail chest that's keeping him from breathing, he's going to get it, regardless of the ~4x10^-3 % lifetime increased risk for developing cancer. That's not to mention how much radiation goes into patients for therapeutic purposes!
 
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I agree, Choppy. Nicely done.

I would like to add, though, that there are labs that post in their X-ray rooms how often people can have a chest X-ray in a year, and one at least advertises that a person can have as many as 166 in a year. I presume that it is also a "simplified" approach to dispel fear from patients.
 

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