CHSH inequality : renaming and absolute values

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The forum discussion centers on the CHSH inequality, specifically addressing the implications of renaming variables and the use of absolute values in its derivations. It establishes that while the integrals can be simplified by using the same variable name for dummy variables, the absolute value affects the average of the Bell operator when independent variables are considered. The discussion raises critical questions about whether the renaming of variables influences the CHS value and if Bell's theorem can be universally applied to classical models without the condition that all variables are equal.

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In some derivations of the CHSH inequality, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHSH_inequality, the following arises :

$$CHS=\int A(a,l1)B(b,l1)dl1-\int A(a,l2)B(b',l2)dl2+\int A(a',l3)B(b,l3)dl3+\int A(a',l4)B(b',l4)dl4\\
=\int A(a,l)B(b,l)dl1-A(a,l)B(b',l)+A(a',l)B(b,l)+A(a',l)B(b',l)dl$$

1) But is it safe to impose l1=l2=l3=l4=l ?

Because if the absolute value were taken, then we could calculate for the classical model with the 4 l's that cannot factorize :
$$p(AB=1)=\frac{b-a}{\pi}$$

From $$C(a,b)=-1+\frac{2(b-a)}{\pi}=p(AB=1)-p(AB=-1)$$

Hence :

2) $$p(|A_1B_1-A_2B_2|=2)=1/16+9/16$$
Then the average of the Bell operator is :

$$|A_1B_1-A_2B_2|+|A_3B_3+A_4B_4|=80/32=2.5>2$$

Thus, whereas the absolute value has no influence in the CHSH version where all the variables are renamed to the same, it changes the average if independent variables are taken.

So the main question is : does this renaming not influence the CHS value ?
Or in other words : can Bell theorem be proven for all classical models without the condition : ##l1=l2=l3=l4## ?
 
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jk22 said:
In some derivations of the CHSH inequality

Which ones? Please give a reference.
 

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