Circle in the Complex Domain where Mean is not the Centre

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on a complex function derived from transmission line analysis, specifically examining the behavior of the function as a variable is varied. Participants explore the geometric implications of the function in the complex domain, particularly regarding the formation of circles and the calculation of an average value over a specified range.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a function involving complex variables and real parameters, suggesting it describes a circle in the complex domain as the parameter varies.
  • Another participant identifies the function as a Mobius transformation, noting that such transformations map circles to circles.
  • A query is raised regarding the existence of a closed form solution for the average value of the function over the specified range of the parameter.
  • A later reply proposes a relationship involving points derived from the Mobius transformation, suggesting that the mean value lies on a line defined by these points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the identification of the function as a Mobius transformation and its geometric implications. However, the discussion regarding the closed form solution for the mean value remains unresolved, with differing approaches proposed without consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the assumptions underlying the integration process or the definitions of the terms used, leaving some mathematical steps and implications open to interpretation.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in complex analysis, Mobius transformations, and their applications in engineering and physics may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello people of Physics Forums,

In my research into transmission lines, I have come across the following function:

x = ( a - i * b * tan(t) ) / ( c - i * d * tan(t) )

In the above equation x, a, b, c and d are complex and t is real. If my analysis is correct, varying t from -pi/2 to pi/2 will yield a circle in the complex domain that intersects the points a/c and b/d.

I would like to know more about this type of function. Has it been studied before? If so, does it have some sort of special name that I can look up in a mathematics textbook to learn more about it? In particular, I am interested in finding the "average" value of x; does a closed form solution (in terms of a, b, c and d) exist if one integrates x from t = -pi/2 to pi/2?

Thank you in advance.

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Excellent. Looks like I will be doing a little bit of reading up on the Mobius transformation.

Does anyone know how to find (if possible) a closed form solution for the mean value of x?
 
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Excellent. Looks like I will be doing a little bit of reading up on the Mobius transformation.

Does anyone know how to find (if possible) a closed form solution for the mean value of x?

No, but I think the following should be true:
Let ##a = T(0)##, let ##b = T(i\pi/2) + T(-i\pi/2)##. Then the mean value lies on the line through ##a## and ##b##.
 
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