Circuit Breakers - tripping or not tripping?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the electrical requirements for a heating system intended to prevent water from freezing in a greenhouse. The context includes thermodynamic principles related to heating and freezing water, as well as the implications for circuit breaker ratings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the power needed to prevent freezing and the corresponding current for a circuit breaker. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding energy calculations and the specifics of circuit breaker ratings.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations presented, with some expressing uncertainty about the energy values used and the implications for circuit breaker functionality. There is a recognition of the need for additional information regarding the circuit breaker's trip current.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific heat values and temperature conversions, as well as the need to consider the energy required for phase changes, which may not have been fully addressed in the original calculations.

dewdrop714
Messages
17
Reaction score
0
The problem statement:
To save on heating costs, the owner of a greenhouse keeps 800kg of water around in barrels. During a winter day, the water is heated by the sun to 50 degrees Fahrenheit. During the night the water freezes into ice at 32 degrees Fahrenheit in 10 hours. An electrical heating system is used providing the same heating effect as the water.


The attempt at a solution:

P=Q/t = (542*10^6)/36000s = 15066 Watts
I=P/V = 15066/240 = 62.77Amperes

The minimum ampere rating that the 240 volt circuit breaker would have to be to avoid tripping is what i calculated...it turned out to be 62.77Amperes.

The question:
What I don't get is "does the circuit breaker trip? Why or why not?"
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Weird, they would have to tell you how much current will trip the breaker in order to answer the question.

p.s. I'm curious, how did you come up with 542 MJ for the energy?
 
Well 4186 is spec heat of water and 2093 is spef heat of ice. I also converted the temps to kelvins. Then I input them into the equations...I did Q1= (800)(4186)(305.93)=102*10^7 and Q2=(800)(2093)(287.93)=482*10^6. Then i got Q= Q1-Q2 = 542*10^6.
 
That doesn't look right.

If Q is the thermal energy change of the water, the formula is

Q = c m ΔT​

where c (for liquid water) is 4186 J/(kg-K), m is 800 kg, and ΔT is the change in temperature of the liquid water.

That would be the heat removed from the liquid water as it cools from 50F to 32F. But in addition you'll also need the heat removed as the water freezes to ice, at a constant temp of 32F. Did you class talk about the heat required to freeze water or melt ice? It's an additional equation, it should be talked about in your textbook or lecture notes.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
5K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
30K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
4K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
12K
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
4K