Circuit with just a battery and ground

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The discussion revolves around the implications of connecting a battery directly to itself with a ground in a circuit context. Participants explore the nature of short circuits and the role of ground in such configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the specifics of the battery hookup and the function of the ground in the circuit. There is a focus on whether connecting the battery in this manner leads to a short circuit and how ground influences this scenario.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the potential consequences of the described circuit setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of short circuits and the role of resistance in real wires, though there is no explicit consensus on the overall implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that traditional circuit diagrams include grounds, prompting questions about their necessity and function in this specific scenario. There is an acknowledgment of the battery's internal resistance and its effect on current flow.

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What would happen if you just hook up a battery to itself, and a ground? I understand resistance is negligible in wires when there are other resistors, however, this doesn't seem to be the case when this occurs. But what happens? Battery drains extremely fast ?
 
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Can you be more specific about the hookup? Where does the ground come in?
 
Positive terminal to the wire, to the ground, then back to the negative terminal. All of my teachers circuits have grounds in the diagram thus far.
 
Typically this would cause a short circuit, correct? However, does the ground prevent?
 
dimpledur said:
Typically this would cause a short circuit, correct? However, does the ground prevent?

The ground here serves merely as a reference for identifying a common place to measure circuit voltages from. It doesn't affect the operation of the circuit.

Yes, you've got what is essentially a short circuit. I say essentially because real wires have some small amount of resistance (it goes as the length of the wire and inversely as the cross sectional area of the wire -- look up resistivity).

Depending upon the battery voltage and its internal resistance, a good deal of current may flow through the wire. The wire will get hot (perhaps hot enough to melt its insulation as well as the metal itself -- it may even vaporize a portion of the wire: BANG!). The battery will certainly be drained quickly.
 

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