Circular Motion; textbook clarification

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The discussion revolves around the concept of circular motion, specifically focusing on the behavior of tires in rolling motion without slipping. Participants are examining the nature of frictional forces acting on the tires as they roll on a surface.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the distinction between static and kinetic friction in the context of rolling tires. They explore the idea of the bottom of the tire being at rest while the tire itself is in motion, leading to confusion about the nature of the frictional force. Some participants discuss the vector sum of velocities at the contact point and the implications of forces acting on the wheel.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in clarifying concepts and questioning assumptions. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between the forces acting on the tire and the resulting motion, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, indicating that some are new to the concepts being discussed. There is an emphasis on understanding the mechanics of rolling motion and the forces involved, particularly in relation to static versus kinetic friction.

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Hello,

I am currently studying circular motion. I came across something in my textbook that I would like some helP with.

It says:"if the wheels and tires of a car are rolling normally without slipping or sliding, the bottom of the tire is at rest against the road at each instant; so the frictional force the road exerts on the tires is static friction"

My question is: How could the tires be at rest if they are in constant motion? Wouldn't the frictional force be kinetic since the wheels are moving?

Thanks
 
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ThomasMagnus said:
Hello,

I am currently studying circular motion. I came across something in my textbook that I would like some helP with.

It says:"if the wheels and tires of a car are rolling normally without slipping or sliding, the bottom of the tire is at rest against the road at each instant; so the frictional force the road exerts on the tires is static friction"

My question is: How could the tires be at rest if they are in constant motion? Wouldn't the frictional force be kinetic since the wheels are moving?

Thanks

Look at the picture
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Here the lower most point has 2 velocities ... the green one due to translation and red due to rotation.

As in case of pure rolling, wr=v so lowermost point has 0 velocity

*this will not be true in case of rolling with slipping, as in that case either v>wr or v<wr
 

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Hi,

Are you saying the vector sum of the velocities are 0 at the bottom?

Is this because the force the wheel applies to the ground is counteracted by an equal and opposite force of the ground on the wheel?

(I'm really new at this so excuse my ignorance ;)

Thanks
 
ThomasMagnus said:
Is this because the force the wheel applies to the ground is counteracted by an equal and opposite force of the ground on the wheel?

These forces will be in vertical direction. how can you expect them to change a horizontal velocity?

vcm is the velocity of each particle towards right, right?
this will b true of the sphere was not rotating and so will remain true even if its ratating

and due to rotation each particle will have speed wr=v in tangential direction ... ie left for lowermost point ...

SO net velocity is v - wr = v -v = 0
 

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