Classical Mechanics: Coriolis Effect Problem

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The problem involves calculating the Coriolis force acting on a bird flying at a latitude of 60° N. The original poster attempts to find the horizontal and vertical components of this force while navigating through the relevant equations and concepts of classical mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster describes their coordinate system and expresses confusion regarding the components of the Coriolis force, particularly the role of the velocity vector and angular velocity. Some participants provide clarifications about the angular velocity vector and its components in the context of the problem.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the setup of the problem and the relevant equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the components of the angular velocity and the velocity vector, but the discussion remains open with ongoing questions about the implications of these components.

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The original poster mentions that this is a review problem rather than a homework assignment, which may influence the nature of the discussion and the level of detail sought in responses.

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Homework Statement


A bird of mass 2 kg is flying at 10 m/s in latitude of 60° N, heading due East. Find the horizontal and vertical components of the Coriolis force acting on it.

Homework Equations


The Coriolis Force, F = 2mwv. Where ∧ shows the cross product between angular frequency vector, w, and change in the position vector, v.

Θ will be the co-latitude -- that is, 90°- 60° = 30°.

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by deciding that my coordinates would be oriented so that x points East, y points North, and z points straight up (away from the earth). Thus, I believe, w = {wcosΘ, 0, 0} since the bird flies only East.

So taking the Cross product with v = {x' , y' , z'} (where ' indicates the change in position), I receive the following vector {0 , -z'cosΘ , y'cosθ}. Now, I've shown the product vector without the coefficients, because my confusion arises at the presence of the y' and z's. Exactly what am I to do about them?

It's one of those problems where I can't tell if I'm missing something terribly basic, or having been working under a more general misapprehension. I'd very much appreciate any help!

p.s. This is my first post in the forum, and so I'm sure I've broken a plethora of the rules/etiquettes for which you must forgive me.

p.p.s. This is not a homework problem, just a kind of review (which makes the fact that I'm struggling with it so much more embarrassing), so don't feel ashamed at helping me cheat!
 
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Eyedbump said:

Homework Statement


A bird of mass 2 kg is flying at 10 m/s in latitude of 60° N, heading due East. Find the horizontal and vertical components of the Coriolis force acting on it.

Homework Equations


The Coriolis Force, F = 2mwv. Where ∧ shows the cross product between angular frequency vector, w, and change in the position vector, v.
You miss a minus sign. The Coriolis force is F = -2mwv.

Eyedbump said:
Θ will be the co-latitude -- that is, 90°- 60° = 30°.

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by deciding that my coordinates would be oriented so that x points East, y points North, and z points straight up (away from the earth). Thus, I believe, w = {wcosΘ, 0, 0} since the bird flies only East.

The angular velocity is a vector parallel to the axis of rotation of Earth and pointing upward. In your coordinate system it has both y and z components, and zero x component.

Eyedbump said:
So taking the Cross product with v = {x' , y' , z'} (where ' indicates the change in position), I receive the following vector {0 , -z'cosΘ , y'cosθ}. Now, I've shown the product vector without the coefficients, because my confusion arises at the presence of the y' and z's. Exactly what am I to do about them?

The velocity vector is (10, 0,0) as it has only East (x) component.
 
ehild said:
Welcome to PF!You miss a minus sign. The Coriolis force is F = -2mwv.
The angular velocity is a vector parallel to the axis of rotation of Earth and pointing upward. In your coordinate system it has both y and z components, and zero x component.
The velocity vector is (10, 0,0) as it has only East (x) component.

Oh my god. Thank you so much!
 
You are welcome. :)
 

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