Clockwise or counterclockwise motion?

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The problem involves determining the direction of motion (clockwise or counterclockwise) of a particle described by the parametric equation r = for t > 0. The context is within the study of parametric curves in the xy-plane.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the graphical representation of the motion and its implications for direction. Questions arise about general methods for determining motion direction for any parametric curve, including the potential relevance of cross products and polar coordinates.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into using derivatives and cross products to analyze the motion direction. There is an ongoing exploration of different mathematical approaches, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method applicable to all cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the motion lies strictly in the xy-plane and discuss the need for further clarification on the role of acceleration in determining the turning direction of curves.

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Homework Statement



Th path of the particle P is given by the following equation:

[itex]r = <cos(t),sin(t)>[/itex] defined for all t>0

Is the particle traveling clockwise or counterclockwise as t increases?

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I graphed the function, and it is a circle, initially the particle is at the point <1,0> and it moves counterclockwise according to the graph.

But how could I find whether it's traveling clockwise or counterclockwise in general, for any parametric curve?

Might it have anything to do with cross products? This is all assuming the particle's motion lies strictly in the xy plane.

BiP
 
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Bipolarity said:

Homework Statement



Th path of the particle P is given by the following equation:

[itex]r = <cos(t),sin(t)>[/itex] defined for all t>0

Is the particle traveling clockwise or counterclockwise as t increases?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I graphed the function, and it is a circle, initially the particle is at the point <1,0> and it moves counterclockwise according to the graph.

But how could I find whether it's traveling clockwise or counterclockwise in general, for any parametric curve?

Might it have anything to do with cross products? This is all assuming the particle's motion lies strictly in the xy plane.

BiP
Look at
$$ \frac{d \bf{r}}{dt}$$

It will be pointing in the direction of increasing t.
 
Mark44 said:
Look at
$$ \frac{d \bf{r}}{dt}$$

It will be pointing in the direction of increasing t.

Hey Mark, thanks. I know that v is parallel to the direction of the particle for increasing t. I can calculate it by differentiating each component of r with respect to t.

However, once I know r and v (as functions of t), how can I use them to decide whether the particle travels clockwise, or how can I determine for what values of t the particle travels clockwise?

My friend suggested polar coordinates but I don't know if that works. My idea was cross product of r and v, but is that correct?

BiP
 
For the example you gave, you just need to know the basic properties of sine and cosine. But in general, if you want to know whether your curve is turning left or right, you need to calculate the acceleration r''(t). If r' cross r'' is positive then that means you are turning left. If r' cross r'' is negative that means it is turning to the right. The cross product comes out to be: x' y'' - y' x''. So you just check whether that is positive (counterclockwise=left turn) or negative (clockwise=right turn)
 
Bipolarity said:
Hey Mark, thanks. I know that v is parallel to the direction of the particle for increasing t. I can calculate it by differentiating each component of r with respect to t.

However, once I know r and v (as functions of t), how can I use them to decide whether the particle travels clockwise, or how can I determine for what values of t the particle travels clockwise?

My friend suggested polar coordinates but I don't know if that works. My idea was cross product of r and v, but is that correct?

BiP

If you are dealing with a plane curve, then sure. The sign of the k component of rxv will tell you which direction you are traveling around the origin.
 

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