Closed Subsets in a Toplogical space ....

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The discussion revolves around the concept of closed subsets within a topological space, specifically focusing on the interpretation of definitions from Sasho Kalajdzievski's book "An Illustrated Introduction to Topology and Homotopy." Participants are exploring the relationship between closed sets and the topology of a space, as well as clarifying terminology and definitions related to open and closed sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks clarification on the definition of closed sets in a topological space, questioning whether many closed subsets do not belong to the topology because they are not open.
  • One participant confirms that Peter's interpretation is correct, noting that ##\tau## represents the collection of open sets.
  • Another participant points out that while a subset may not be open and thus not belong to the topology, it still exists as a subset of the space.
  • A further response clarifies the distinction between a subset being part of the topological space and being part of the topology itself, emphasizing that only open sets belong to the topology.
  • Peter acknowledges confusion regarding these distinctions and expresses gratitude for the clarifications provided by other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of open and closed sets, but there is some confusion regarding the terminology and implications of subsets belonging to the topology versus the space itself. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants clarify their understanding without reaching a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the initial question posed by Peter, which may have contributed to the confusion. The discussion also highlights the need for a deeper understanding of the relationship between subsets and the topology in the context of metric spaces.

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I have a very basic question about whether closed subsets of a topological space ##(X, \tau)## that are not clopen belong to the space ... I suspect that they do not ...
I am reading Sasho Kalajdzievski's book: "An Illustrated Introduction to Topology and Homotopy" and am currently focused on Chapter 3: Topological Spaces: Definitions and Examples ... ...

I need some help in order to fully understand Kalajdzievski's definition of a closed set in a topological space ...The relevant text reads as follows:
K - Defn of a Closed Subset of a Toplogical Space ... .png

As I understand it many closed subsets of the underlying set ##X## of a topological space ##(X, \tau)## do not belong to the topological space because they are not open ... i.e. they are not clopen sets ...

Is my interpretation of the above situation correct ... ... ?Help will be appreciated ...

Peter

==================================================================================It may help readers of the above post to have available Kalajdzievski's definition of a topological space ... so I am providing the same ... as follows:
K - Defn of a Topological Space ... .png
Hope that helps ...

Peter
 
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Yes, that is correct. ##\tau## is the collection of open sets, so saying a set ##U## is in ##\tau## means exactly that ##U## is open.
 
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Just point out that it is not clear what you are asking. A subset, which is not open, doesn't belong to the topology of the psace, but in a sense it belongs to the space, after all it is a subset.
 
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Peter, I think you are confusing the two statements: "a set U belongs to [is a subset of] the topological space X" and "a set U belongs to the topology defining the topological space X". there are many sub sets of a topological space, some open, some closed, some both, some neither. the ones that are open are the ones that belong to "the topology". i.e. a subset U of X is open if and only if U belongs to "the topology of X". "The topology" of X is the collectionmof those subsets that are open in X. You are advised to study this for the special case of metric spaces.
 
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Thanks to suremarc and martinbn ... appreciate your help ...

Particular thank you to mathwonk ... yes, I was confused in exactly that way ... thanks so much for clarifying the issue ...

Peter
 

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