Coarsely modeling impacts between bodies on a planetary scale

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The discussion focuses on modeling impacts between planetary or larger bodies, particularly in scenarios where a smaller body impacts a larger one at significant velocities. Participants explore various approaches to simulate the physical outcomes of such impacts, including energy conservation and the effects of relativistic speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to model impacts by considering the velocities, densities, and impact points of the colliding bodies, aiming for a believable simulation of the results.
  • Another participant suggests starting with conservation of energy and momentum, proposing a method to handle incoming and outgoing particles, while noting the presence of free variables in the equations.
  • A participant raises concerns about modeling scenarios where a body might break apart, such as a moon entering a gas giant's Roche limit or an asteroid impacting at relativistic speeds, asking for methods to approximate these outcomes.
  • One suggestion involves simulating larger bodies as collections of smaller bodies, held together by gravitational and contact forces, adjusting the number of sub-bodies for plausibility in the simulation results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing approaches to modeling impacts, with no consensus on a single method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best techniques for handling complex impact scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as treating bodies as perfect spheres and the simplification of densities. The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling impacts, particularly under extreme conditions, without resolving the mathematical or physical details involved.

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Wheeee! More confusing thread titles! Here, let me elaborate:

What I intend to do here is figure out a way to roughly model the results of planetary (or larger) bodies impacting, or a planetary (or larger) sized body being impacted by a smaller body that is moving with enough relative velocity as to have an effect other than leaving an amusing crater.

...Now let me give an example, as I am horrible at explaining things:

Say you have a Earth or Mars sized planet, and an asteroid impacts it. From the impact, you can get the velocity (and thus momentum) of each object in regards to the other, point of impact on each (Each object is a perfect sphere being extrapolated as a circle with the radius of the sphere for the purposes of the simulation, so you will just get a value describing the impact point as the number of degrees off of the "bearing" of the body, which is a bit arbitrary to be honest. Either way, point of impact and the velocity.) as well as the densities of each object (assumed continuous throughout for simplicity) and the positions the objects were in when they collided (cartesian co-ordinate system).
From this, I am looking to be able to produce a beleivable result of the "impact" that occurred between the bodies.

Any thoughts as to how I should go about this? These impacts will vary anywhere from a spaceship impacting a planet at relativistic speeds to an asteroid smashing into a gas giant. Thanks in advance!
 
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O.K. The way that I'd go about it is to start with conservation of energy and momentum. You start with N particles come in an angles and velocities v1, v2, v3. You leave with M particles leaving with given angles and velocities.

You'll find that the equations won't be constrained. I.e.. you'll have some free variables. At that point you put together some matrix that fills in the free variables with something that looks plausible.
 
Sounds good, but my real issue is handling a situation wherein a body would be split, such as a moon entering the roche limit of a gas giant or a asteroid slamming into a planet at relativistic velocity. Any idea how I would I approximate the results of such an impact?
 
Simulate each body as a number of smaller bodies held together by gravitational and contact forces. In the case of a planet being hit by a relativistic star ship I would model the ship as a single body and the planet as perhaps 20 or 30 smaller bodies arranged a rough sphere. If the results don't look plausible increase the number of sub-bodies.
 

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