Coaxial Cable ( Transmission line )

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of current in coaxial cables when connected to DC and AC voltage sources, including scenarios where the outer shield is grounded. Participants seek to understand the direction of current flow in the inner and outer conductors and request diagrams for clarity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how current flows in a coaxial cable under different voltage source conditions and requests diagrams for cases involving DC and AC sources.
  • Another participant explains that with a DC voltage source, current will flow from the positive terminal through the load and back to the negative terminal, but emphasizes that current will not flow without a load.
  • It is noted that with an AC source, transmission line effects occur, and the behavior depends on the load, with a characteristic impedance of 50 ohms being mentioned as common.
  • Participants discuss the implications of load matching and reflections in the cable, indicating that mismatches can lead to interference patterns known as standing waves.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the original poster's request for diagrams, suggesting it resembles an assignment and recommending external resources for further understanding.

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Participants express varying levels of skepticism regarding the original poster's request for detailed explanations and diagrams. There is no consensus on the necessity of diagrams or the level of complexity of the questions posed.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the concept of characteristic impedance and its relevance to current flow, but the implications of mismatched loads and reflections remain unresolved. The discussion does not reach a definitive conclusion on the behavior of current in coaxial cables.

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How does current flow in a coaxial cable in each of the following cases :
1. When the cable is connected to a DC voltage source.
2. When the cable is connected to an AC voltage source
3. When the outer metallic shield is connected to ground and DC and Ac sources are connected separately
I don't understand how current flows in one direction through the inner conductor and in the opposite direction through the outer conductor-Please explain this to me with proper diagram for each of the cases (case 1, 2,3) as mentioned above.
 
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A coaxial cable is just two conductors, so if you connect a DC voltage source, no current will flow unless you add a load of some sort.
Then current will flow one way from the positive terminal of the power source, along the centre or outside of the coax cable, through the load and back down the other side of the cable, to the negative terminal.

If you connect an AC source whose wavelength is comparable with the length of the cable, then you get transmission line effects where it depends on the load what happens next.

Briefly, coaxial cables have a "characteristic impedance" which for many cables is 50 ohms.
If the load is 50 ohms, all the power traveling in the line will be absorbed by the load.

In this case, current actually flows on the INSIDE of the shield of the coax cable.
It is quite possible to have a totally different AC signal on the outside of the coaxial cable shield.

If the load is more or less than 50 ohms, there will be reflections on the line which will interfere with the incoming power. This produces interference patterns along the cable known as standing waves.

There are books written about these effects and you need to attend a class or two to get the idea, but the following site might be a good starting point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_lines
 
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vk6kro said:
Briefly, coaxial cables have a "characteristic impedance" which for many cables is 50 ohms.
If the load is 50 ohms, all the power traveling in the line will be absorbed by the load.

Any two conductors will have a characteristic impedance. A parallel pair or a twisted pair of wires will also have a characteristic impedance, the value of which depends upon their diameters and spacing. Coax cables can have different impedances also but 50Ω is way the most common choice.

This business of 'matching' loads to cable impedance can be a bit confusing but any sort of wave will be reflected to some extent at any discontinuity (hence the small amount of reflection by even a totally clean glass window).

I have a feeling that the OP looks a bit like an 'assignment' by asking "Please explain this to me with proper diagram for each of the cases". I would recommend looking in Wikipedia for Transmission Lines and Coaxial Cables, in particular..
 
Yes, I had the same feeling and omitted the obvious diagrams as a precaution.

Q1 was at a different level to the other questions, though, so I'm not sure.

Mismatches in load and characteristic Z can be quite severe before it makes much difference. Mainly it is an indication that something bad has happened to an antenna and that can have a huge effect.

Happy New Year!
 
We're so cynical!
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