Coeffecient of train and the tracks?

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The discussion revolves around determining the coefficient of friction between a train and the tracks, given specific parameters such as the train's mass, velocity, braking force, and distance to a pedestrian. The context involves concepts from physics related to motion, friction, and energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between friction, braking force, and the coefficient of friction. There are attempts to isolate the coefficient of friction using the friction formula, and questions arise about the correct interpretation of forces involved in the braking process.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between work done by friction and kinetic energy, suggesting a conceptual framework for approaching the problem. There appears to be a recognition of the braking force as the friction force, contributing to a clearer understanding of the situation.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of given values and the assumptions related to the forces acting on the train during braking. There is mention of kinetic energy and work, which are central to the discussion but not fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


What is the coefficient of friction between the train and the track, given that the train has 20,000 kg and is going at velocity of 26m/s. Note that when the train conductor saw a pedestrian he started braking and also the distance between the pedestrian to the train is 500m
Other given information:
X= 500m
A= -.676 ( because he was stopping the train)
braking force is -13520 N

Homework Equations


μkN=Fk

N means normal force in this case[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


So at first I tried using the simple friction formula and tried isolating the coefficient of friction so that i would have ----------- μ=Nf---------- but i have everything except friction force. So i then thought from that I thought i can just divide a and m to get the force, which in turn is the friction force. Overall i am not sure if this is correct because i thought you can just divide the breaking force and the mass for the friction force. It's either one or the other, although i am not completely sure :))))
 
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In this problem, it's more about the Work done to the train to get it to come to a halt. First they give you the train's mass and velocity.
(Remember: Kinetic Energy http://www.sciweavers.org/upload/Tex2Img_1418868535/render.png )

If we look at the the energy of the system, it goes to zero. As you've said before, there is a frictional force which acts on the system. This (frictional) Work must then equal the Kinetic Energy lost when braking the train.

Also, Work is equal to the force applied over a distance http://www.sciweavers.org/upload/Tex2Img_1418868266/render.png .

I hope this helps point you in the right direction :)
 
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Thegiver431 said:
i have everything except friction force
The braking force you (correctly) calculated is the friction force.
 
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Thank you for everybody that answered, I get it now :)
 
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