Coefficient of Friction Question.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a parcel on an inclined plane, focusing on the coefficient of friction and the forces acting on the parcel in equilibrium. The problem includes calculating the horizontal force and the coefficient of friction, as well as determining the parcel's motion after a force is removed.

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  • The original poster attempts to resolve forces acting on the parcel both perpendicular and parallel to the inclined plane, seeking confirmation on their calculations and reasoning.
  • Some participants question the arithmetic in the original poster's calculations, particularly in part (b), suggesting inconsistencies in the working steps.
  • Others suggest considering the maximum frictional force and the change in normal reaction after the horizontal force is removed to analyze the parcel's motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting further considerations for part (c). There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the calculations, but guidance has been offered regarding the analysis of forces.

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Hey, I would like to check that my working for the following question is along the right lines. I have an exam this coming Wednesday and there are a few really common questions that I think I should do some work on. As always any help is much appreciated! :smile:

The Question

A parcel of weight 10N lies on a rough plane inclined at an angle of 30 degrees to the horizontal. A horizontal force of magnitude P Newtons acts on the parcel as shown in the attachment (Bottom of post). The parcel is in equilibrium and on the point of slipping up the plane. The normal reaction of the plane on the parcel is 18N. The coefficient of friction between the parcel and the plane is [itex]\mu[/itex]. Find:

(a) The value of P

(b) The value of [itex]\mu[/itex]

The horizontal force is removed.

(c) Determine whether or not the parcel moves.

My Attempt

(a) Resolve perpendicular to the plane:

[itex]18 - 10\cos30 - P\sin 30[/itex]

[itex]18 = 10\cos30 + P\sin 30[/itex]

[itex]18 - 5\sqrt3 = \frac{P}{2}[/itex]

[itex]2(18 - 5\sqrt3) = P = 18.7N[/itex]

(b) Resolve along the plane.

[itex]F + 10\sin30 = 18.7\cos30[/itex]

[itex]5F = 16.20[/itex]

[itex]F = 3.24[/itex]

Now I just plug in the answer from (a) with this one from (b)

[itex]F=\mu R[/itex]

[itex]3.24 = 18\mu[/itex]

[itex]\mu = 0.18[/itex]

I am still working on (c) but could someone please have a look at how I am doing so far. I may have skipped a few steps, but I am just using the fact that when resolving perpendicular you can always use cos, and whenever you resolve parallel you can use sin, when dealing with vectors int his course on an inclined plane.

Thank you.

_Mayday_
 

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I didn't check your arithmetic, but your method is correct.
 
I think you have made an arithmetic mistake in part (b) - the second line of working for (b) is inconsistent with the first line.
 
For (c), consider the maximum value which friction can take, remembering that now that P has been removed, the normal reaction will change. Compare this to the component of weight down the slope.
 
nokia8650 said:
I think you have made an arithmetic mistake in part (b) - the second line of working for (b) is inconsistent with the first line.
nokia8650 is correct--you made an arithmetic mistake in part (b).
 
[itex]F + 10\sin30 = 18.7\cos30[/itex]
[itex]5F = 16.20[/itex]

Ah right!

[itex]F + 10\sin30 = 18.7\cos30[/itex]
[itex]F + 5 = 16.20[/itex]
[itex]F = 11.20[/itex]

[itex]\mu = 0.62[/itex]

Thanks for that, silly mistake. I'll have a look at your advice in a minute or two nokia. Thank you both Nokia and Doc.

_Mayday_ :approve:
 

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