Collisions in Two Dimensions (Perfectly Elastic)

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The discussion revolves around a perfectly elastic collision in two dimensions involving a queue ball and an eight ball. The queue ball, initially moving at 4.3 m/s, strikes a stationary eight ball of the same mass, resulting in the queue ball's final speed of 2.3 m/s. Participants are tasked with finding the angle of the queue ball with respect to its original line of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy equations relevant to elastic collisions. There are attempts to express the relationship between the angles and velocities using trigonometric identities. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations after establishing the equations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various approaches being considered. One participant mentions using the Pythagorean theorem to arrive at an angle of around 57 degrees, while others question the complexity of their methods and seek simpler alternatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the masses of the balls are equal, which simplifies the equations. There is also mention of the potential complexity of the solutions in relation to the course level.

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Homework Statement


Assume an elastic collision (ignoring friction
and rotational motion).
A queue ball initially moving at 4.3 m/s
strikes a stationary eight ball of the same size
and mass. After the collision, the queue ball’s
final speed is 2.3 m/s .

Find the queue ball’s angle with respect
to its original line of motion.

v1i = 4.3
v1f = 2.3

Homework Equations


p1i + p2i = p1f + p2f
KEi = KEf

The Attempt at a Solution



sqrt(4.3^2 - 2.3^2) = v2f = 3.6 m/s

4.3 = 2.3*cos θ + 3.6*cos φ (for x direction)

0 = 2.3*sin θ - 3.6*sin φ (for y direction)

2.3*sin θ = 3.6*sin φ

Not quite sure how to proceed from here.
 
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calvert11 said:

Homework Statement


Assume an elastic collision (ignoring friction
and rotational motion).
A queue ball initially moving at 4.3 m/s
strikes a stationary eight ball of the same size
and mass. After the collision, the queue ball’s
final speed is 2.3 m/s .

Find the queue ball’s angle with respect
to its original line of motion.

v1i = 4.3
v1f = 2.3

Homework Equations


p1i + p2i = p1f + p2f
KEi = KEf

The Attempt at a Solution



sqrt(4.3^2 - 2.3^2) = v2f = 3.6 m/s

4.3 = 2.3*cos θ + 3.6*cos φ (for x direction)

0 = 2.3*sin θ - 3.6*sin φ (for y direction)

2.3*sin θ = 3.6*sin φ

Not quite sure how to proceed from here.

m_1u_1+m_2u_2=m_1_v_1+m_2v_2\rightarrow m(u_1+0)=m(v_1+v_2).
 
asleight said:
m_1u_1+m_2u_2=m_1_v_1+m_2v_2\rightarrow m(u_1+0)=m(v_1+v_2).

I'm not sure how that helps . The masses are equal so they drop from the equations and the velocities are known.
 
calvert11 said:
i'm not sure how that helps . The masses are equal so they drop from the equations and the velocities are known.

4.3 = 2.3 + v...
 
asleight said:
4.3 = 2.3 + v...
Still don't know what you're getting at :).

But I managed to solve it using pythagoras: (4.3-2.3 cos θ)^2 + (2.3 sin θ)^2 = 3.6^2

With that I get around 57 degrees which is correct.

Just out of curiosity, would there have been a simpler way of solving this? My solution required using power-reducing formulas for sin/cos...which seems too complicated considering the level of the course.
 

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