What are the initial conditions in this simple RCL circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the initial conditions in a simple RCL circuit after a switch is opened, particularly focusing on the voltage across the inductor and the behavior of the circuit components at that moment. The scope includes theoretical analysis and differential equations related to circuit behavior.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that immediately after opening the switch, the voltage in the coil should be 12V, citing continuity conditions at time 0+ and 0-.
  • Another participant counters that the capacitor, along with the resistor and inductor in series, means the majority of the voltage will appear across the resistor instead of the inductor.
  • A participant questions this by referencing the inductor's voltage-current relationship, suggesting that the inductor's voltage should reflect the change in current at the moment the switch is opened.
  • One participant shares a simulation result indicating a brief negative voltage pulse across the inductor when the switch is opened, followed by a drop in voltage and a steady current due to the capacitor discharging through the resistor.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the initial voltage across the inductor, questioning whether it is 0V or 12V, and discusses the behavior of the circuit components just before and after the switch is opened.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the relationship between the inductor's field, the capacitor's discharge, and the voltage across the resistor and inductor over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage across the inductor immediately after the switch is opened, with no consensus reached on whether it is 0V or 12V. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact initial conditions and their implications for the differential equation governing the circuit.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the circuit's behavior at the moment the switch is opened, particularly concerning the instantaneous changes in current and voltage across the components.

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So, let's assume the switch has been closed for a long time. The capacitor is charged to 12V, and the coil acts like a short-circuit.

Immediately after opening the switch, is it right to say the Voltage in the coil is 12V? My notes specify something along the lines of: the conditions at time 0+ must be the same as the conditions at time 0- to preserve continuity, because instantaneous variations are impossible. Are my notes wrong? Is the voltage in the coil at 0+ really 12V?
 
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No, the capacitor has the 100 K resistor and the inductor effectively in series across it, so the majority of the voltage will appear across the resistor.
 
Really..? Doesn't that contradict the fact that V = L di/dt in the inductor? Isn't di/dt the biggest when the current goes from 0A to whatever it is right after that?
 
I did a simulation of this and there is a very brief negative going pulse of about 4.9 volts across the inductor when the switch is opened. This pulse is about 1μS wide.

The 100 K limits the current which is almost unchanged after the switch is opened. It gets 12 volts from the battery before the switch is opened and it gets 12 volts from the capacitor after the switch is opened.

After the initial pulse across the inductor, the voltage drops close to zero and the current in the inductor is about 120 μA which is due to the capacitor discharging via the 100 K resistor. This decreases with time.
 
Thanks, I was asking the question to find the initial conditions of the differential equation. I'm assuming that VL(0) is either 0 or 12V, which one is it and why?
 
tamtam402 said:
Thanks, I was asking the question to find the initial conditions of the differential equation. I'm assuming that VL(0) is either 0 or 12V, which one is it and why?

At equilibrium with the switch closed and the capacitor fully charged, therei s no current through L1 or C1. The voltage across R2 is determined by the values of R1 and R2. The charge of C1 is at the same voltage as across R2. At the instant the switch is opened current through R1 and R2 goes to zero. L1 field is at zero due to zero current and resists trying to discharge C1. The entire voltage (slightly less than battery voltage due to R1 and R2) is across L1. As the discharge current increases the voltage drop across the resistor increases to a peak at maximum discharge current. After this peak the capacitor continues to discharge along with decrease in the inductor field which is now trying to sustain current. As current decreases voltage across the resistor and the inductor drops exponentially to zero as the charge on C1 is fully depleted.

That is a word description that goes along with the simulation explanation. The circuit mathematics will confirm that behavior as well if you are at the stage where you have the math tools.

Edit I just noticed that you are looking at the initial conditions of the Dif EQ. So just before the switch is opened di/dt is zero because the capacitor is fully charged. At the instant the switch is closed di/dt is large and drops the complete capacitor voltage.
 
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Thank you for your time guys!
 

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