Combinatorics Homework: Counting Sequences from a Standard Deck of 52 Cards

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The discussion revolves around a combinatorial problem involving sequences of cards drawn from a standard deck of 52 playing cards. The original poster presents a scenario where eight cards are selected with replacement, and the task is to determine the number of possible sequences under specific conditions regarding the types of cards drawn.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the calculation of sequences based on fixed orders of card types (picture, odd, even) and discuss the implications of rearranging these orders. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the problem and the counting of distinct arrangements.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting methods for counting permutations of identical elements and others questioning the assumptions made in the original calculations. There is a recognition of the need to consider both the assignment of actual cards and the ordering of placeholders in the solution process.

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There is mention of an answer key that does not align with one participant's calculations, prompting further exploration of the problem's setup and assumptions. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the requirements of the problem and the counting principles involved.

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Eight cards are selected with replacement from a standard pack of 52 playing cards, with 12 picture cards, 20 odd cards, and 20 even cards.

(a) How many different sequences of eight cards are possible?

(b) How many of the sequences in part (a) will contain three picture cards, three odd cards and two even cards?2. The attempt at a solution

The first part is fairly straightforward. Given 8 available slots with 52 different choices for each slot, one can conclude that the number of different sequences of cards is 528.
I am, however, stumped by the second part.
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
stumped by the second part
Fix on one order, e.g. the order described, 3P, 3O, 2E. How many possibilities? Now how many rearrangements of that pattern amongst the 8 positions?
 
haruspex said:
Fix on one order, e.g. the order described, 3P, 3O, 2E. How many possibilities? Now how many rearrangements of that pattern amongst the 8 positions?

My first attempt was the following:
There are 12 possibilities in the first slot, 12 in the second, 12 in the third, then 20 in each of the remaining 5 slots. Therefore, there are 123*205 different possibilities, which is wrong according to my answer key.
 
MohammedRady97 said:
My first attempt was the following:
There are 12 possibilities in the first slot, 12 in the second, 12 in the third, then 20 in each of the remaining 5 slots. Therefore, there are 123*205 different possibilities, which is wrong according to my answer key.
That only covers one ordering of 3 "P"s, 3 "O"s and 2 "E"s (as letters). You must now consider how many sequences there are of such 8 letters.
 
haruspex said:
That only covers one ordering of 3 "P"s, 3 "O"s and 2 "E"s (as letters). You must now consider how many sequences there are of such 8 letters.

Could you please elaborate?
Doesn't this cover sequences like ##O_1, O_2, O_2, P_1, E_6, P_2, E_4, E_4##?
 
You've established how to get 3xP, 3xO and 2xE in that order (or in some fixed order). Now you have to arrange them into all possible orders. It's counting permutation with identical elements - 3 of one type, 3 of another and 2 of the last type.

[ I don't understand the subscripts in your preceding reply, incidentally, and you have 3 E's and only 2 P's ]
 
MohammedRady97 said:
Could you please elaborate?
I could have explained my original suggestion more clearly.
The idea is to imagine you have also 8 placeholder cards that are only labelled as P, O or E; 3 Ps, 3 Os, 2 Es. This allows you to break the problem into two parts:
- how many ways are there of assigning actual cards to the first P, the second P, third P, first O etc?
- how many distinct ways are there of ordering the 8 placeholders?
 
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haruspex said:
I could have explained my original suggestion more clearly.
The idea is to imagine you have also 8 placeholder cards that are only labelled as P, O or E; 3 Ps, 3 Os, 2 Es. This allows you to break the problem into two parts:
- how many ways are there of assigning actual cards to the first P, the second P, third P, first O etc?
- how many distinct ways are there of ordering the 8 placeholders?

I get it now. I'm supposed to multiply the result I obtained with ##\frac{8!}{3!3!2!}##
Thanks!
 

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