Combinatorics, permutations of letters

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The problem involves determining the number of distinct 5-letter "words" that can be formed from the letters in the word "ALGEBRA," considering that each letter can only be used once.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods for counting permutations, including brute force and case separation based on the occurrence of the letter A.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different strategies for solving the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding breaking the problem into cases based on the number of occurrences of the letter A.

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Participants note the complexity of combining principles of permutations with the constraints of repeated letters in the word "ALGEBRA." There is also mention of an online homework system that provides feedback on the correctness of solutions.

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Homework Statement


How many "words" with 5 letters can be created from the letters in the word ALGEBRA? Each letter can be used only once.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I know the answer to this (1320) and I know how I got to it (which I'll describe in a minute), but I know that while my way of getting it is right, it's. not the easiest, and I can't seem to figure out how on Earth they want me to do it.

I know that choosing 5 things from a set with 7 elements can be done in

\frac{7!}{(7-5)!}

ways. I also know that if I were to use all the letters of ALGEBRA the answer would be

\frac{7!}{2!}

since one letter is used twice. In this case these happen to be exactly same, but I can't seem to put these principles together to get a correct answer. Help, please?

The way I solved it was more of a brute force solution. The correct answer is 11 * 5!, and I got to that conclusion by reasoning that 5! of the words are made by the letters LGEBR, which have no recurring letters. Then I "exchanged" one of the letters from that to an A, one at a time, and then to both As. This can be done in 11 ways:

LGEBR
AGEBR
LAEBR
LGABR
LGEAR
LGEBA
AAEBR
LAABR
LGAAR
LGEAA
AGEBA

And all of them can be chosen in 5! different combinations. I know this is the correct answer (it's an online based homework, I've inputted this and it says I'm right).
 
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Hi Hannisch! :smile:

That certainly works.

But quicker would be to split the problem into three …

count separately the number of words with no As, with one A, and with 2As. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
But quicker would be to split the problem into three …
count separately the number of words with no As, with one A, and with 2As. :wink:
Slightly quicker still, just separate the cases "at most one A" (just as with all the other letters) and "2 As"
 
oh yes! :biggrin:
 

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