Combinatorics: Steiner Triple System

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The discussion revolves around the properties and calculations related to a Steiner Triple System (STS), specifically focusing on the number of triples disjoint from a given triple within the system.

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  • Participants explore the formula for the number of triples disjoint from a given triple and question how it relates to the total number of triples in an STS. There are attempts to derive the formula ##(n-3)(n-7)/6## and discussions about the meaning of disjoint triples.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for approaches and seeking clarification on definitions and calculations. Some have made attempts to derive the formula but express uncertainty about the steps involved.

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There is a focus on understanding the implications of disjoint triples and the unique pairing of elements within the context of Steiner Triple Systems. The discussion includes references to specific calculations and the need to account for overlapping subsets.

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A Steiner Triple System, denoted by ##STS(v),## is a pair ##(S,T)## consisting of a set ##S## with ##v## elements, and a set ##T## consisting of triples of ##S## such that every pair of elements of ##S## appear together in a unique triple of ##T##.

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My book goes on to say that the number of triples of a ##STS(n)## disjoint from a given triple is ##(n-3)(n-7)/6## but I am not sure how they got that result?

I know that there are ##n(n-1)/6## triples altogether where each point of a triple lies in ##(n-1)/2## triples but I am not sure how they got that ##(n-3)(n-7)/6.##
 
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Try subtracting the number of non-disjoint sets from the total.
 
certainly said:
Try subtracting the number of non-disjoint sets from the total.
Can you elaborate please? What does it mean when a STS is disjoint from a given triple?
 
say the first triple is (a,b,c), for a triple to be disjoint to this triple it must not contain any of the elements a, b, c i.e. the union of 2 disjoint triples will be the null set.
[EDIT:- so you are to find all triples in the STS that do not contain any of the elements a,b or c.]
 
certainly said:
say the first triple is (a,b,c), for a triple to be disjoint to this triple it must not contain any of the elements a, b, c i.e. the union of 2 disjoint triples will be the null set.
[EDIT:- so you are to find all triples in the STS that do not contain any of the elements a,b or c.]

Oh, I see thank you.
 
Were you able to prove the desired result ?
 
Using your suggestion I got that ##n(n−1)/6−3(n−1)/2## but I am still not sure how they got ##(n−3)(n−7)/6?##
 
Let
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be a set of
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elements together with a set
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of 3-subset (triples) of
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such that every 2-subset of
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occurs in exactly one triple of [PLAIN]http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/SteinerTripleSystem/Inline6.gif. Then http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/SteinerTripleSystem/Inline7.gif is called a Steiner triple system.
Let's use this definition henceforth. It is not only much simpler, but also a lot more clear.
You are forgetting to subtract the original set and you are also forgetting that more than one 2-subsets were covered in the original triple. And since every 2-subset has a unique triple you need to take those into account.
 
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