Combustion temperature and pressure

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The discussion revolves around the determination of temperature and pressure in a combustion chamber of a pulsejet engine, focusing on the idealized conditions of stoichiometric combustion with LPG. Participants explore methods for calculating these properties based on known variables such as cylinder volume, intake and exhaust areas, and the amounts of air and fuel entering the chamber.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the conditions during combustion, specifically whether the intake and exhaust are closed and if the volume of the cylinder remains constant.
  • The original poster clarifies that the pulsejet operates under constant volume conditions and mentions the compression ratio being between 1.2 and 1.3, noting discrepancies between calculated and experimental pressure values.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty and requests more details about the timing of measurements and sample calculations to better understand the issue.
  • A participant mentions that pulse jets operate on a modified Lenoir cycle and references various research studies related to their thermodynamics and design.
  • One participant adds that pulse jet-like combustion can occur as an unintended effect in turbojet engines, discussing historical challenges related to unstable combustion in early turbojet development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the methods for calculating combustion properties and the implications of the observed discrepancies in pressure values.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions underlying their calculations, such as the effects of temperature and pressure variations during the combustion process or the specific conditions of the pulsejet operation.

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hi
i have a cylinder whose volume, intake and exhaust area is known. i know the amount of air entering into the combustion chamber(cylinder) and the amount of fuel entering into the combustion chamber. i am taking an ideal approach and assuming stoichiometric combustion (LPG). is there any formulation or method for me to find out temperature, pressure or anyone of these properties in combustion chamber?
 
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Are the intake and exhaust closed during the combustion? Is the volume of the cylinder constant during the combustion? Have you had a course in thermodynamics yet?
 
it is a pulsejet (valveless type) and i am an engineering student, so yes i have attended the course. it is a constant volume combustion because the cycle momentarily stops and at that moment combustion occurs, so yes we can say that intake and exhaust are closed because there is no flow at that moment. i know how to get the adiabatic flame temperature for constant volume through which i can get pressure but through various research papers and blogs i know the compression ratio remains in range of 1.2-1.3. if i follow the correct method through wihich i find enthalpies of products and reactants, the pressure it shows is quite large ( way off ) than the experimental values. i want to know what to do
 
I don't have much experience in this area, but I'll try to help. It's hard to know what the problem is without knowing more of the details. Are you trying to determine the conditions before the power stroke or at the end of the power stroke? Is that where you have the measurements of the pressure and temperature? What do you estimate for the pressure and what is the observed value? Can you provide a sample calculation?

Chet
 
Pulse jets work on a modified Lenoir cycle

There are many research studies relating to the thermodynamics and practical design of pulse jets .

There is a modern day resurgence of interest in this type of engine .
 
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Just as a point of interest pulse jet like combustion can occur as an unwanted effect in turbojet engines .

If you are lucky the engine blows out and not much harm done but just a few seconds of sustained pulsed combustion can be highly destructive .

This type of unstable combustion was a significant problem in the pioneer days of turbojet engine development .

Rarely a problem with modern engines .
 

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