Common multiple of two numbers

  • Thread starter Thread starter alpuy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Multiple Numbers
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of multiples, specifically examining the assertion that numbers which are multiples of two integers, a and b, are also multiples of their product ab. The original poster uses a specific example with a = 2 and b = 3 to explore this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of the statement regarding multiples and question what assumptions about a and b are necessary for the assertion to hold true. There are attempts to prove related claims through contradiction and references to unique prime factorization.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the original statement. Some have pointed out that the assertion may not hold in general and have suggested specific conditions under which it could be true. There is a recognition of the need for formal proof and clarification of concepts related to prime factorization.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering specific cases and counterexamples, such as the relationship between the least common multiple and the product of the integers involved. The discussion also touches on the implications of odd and even products in relation to divisibility.

alpuy
Messages
4
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I want to demonstrate that the numbers that are multiple of a and b at the same time, are the multiples of ab.

Let a be 2 and b be 3.

In the middle of the proof i get to a point that i have to prove that if 3*k2 is multiple of 2 then k2 is multiple of 2.

Homework Equations



3*k2 is multiple of 2 → k2 is multiple of 2

The Attempt at a Solution


As 3 is not multiple of 2, then k2 has to be multiple of 2. I do not know how to prove it formally.Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
alpuy said:

Homework Statement


I want to demonstrate that the numbers that are multiple of a and b at the same time, are the multiples of ab.

Let a be 2 and b be 3.

In the middle of the proof i get to a point that i have to prove that if 3*k2 is multiple of 2 then k2 is multiple of 2.


Homework Equations



3*k2 is multiple of 2 → k2 is multiple of 2

The Attempt at a Solution


As 3 is not multiple of 2, then k2 has to be multiple of 2. I do not know how to prove it formally.


Thanks

The result you state

"the numbers that are multiple of a and b at the same time, are the multiples of ab"

is false in general, but is true for certain a and b (such as your a = 2 and b = 3). To see that the general statement is not true, consider a = 4 and b = 6; their least common multiple is 12, not 4 ##\times## 6 = 24.

What do you think you need to assume about a and b to make the result true?
 
alpuy said:
As 3 is not multiple of 2, then k2 has to be multiple of 2. I do not know how to prove it formally.
Proof by contradiction. If k2 is not a multiple of 2, it is an odd number. What is the product of two odd numbers?

This is related to the unique prime factorization of positive integers, by the way.

See the post of Ray Vickson for a general problem with your question.
 
Ray Vickson said:
The result you state

"the numbers that are multiple of a and b at the same time, are the multiples of ab"

is false in general, but is true for certain a and b (such as your a = 2 and b = 3). To see that the general statement is not true, consider a = 4 and b = 6; their least common multiple is 12, not 4 ##\times## 6 = 24.

What do you think you need to assume about a and b to make the result true?

Ok, i see that that statement is not true, the statement may be valid for prime numbers, how is the proof?

mfb said:
Proof by contradiction. If k2 is not a multiple of 2, it is an odd number. What is the product of two odd numbers?

This is related to the unique prime factorization of positive integers, by the way.

See the post of Ray Vickson for a general problem with your question.

You are right it can be proven by contradiction. (2m + 1)(2n + 1) = 4mn + 2(m + n) + 1.
and 4mn + 2(m + n) is even so 4mn + 2(m + n) + 1 is odd.

How is it related to the unique prime factorization of positive integers?

Regards
 
alpuy said:
How is it related to the unique prime factorization of positive integers?
If a is divisible by 2 and a=b*c, then b or c (or both) is divisible by 2 because the prime factor of 2 has to "be somewhere in the product."
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K