Commutation of 2 operators using braket notation?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the commutator of two operators, A and B, expressed in bra-ket notation. The original poster presents the operators and mentions that the result should be a 4x4 matrix, as indicated by their lecturer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the process of calculating the commutator by expanding the expression AB - BA and applying algebraic rules. Questions arise regarding the orthonormality of the vectors involved and the dimensionality of the resulting matrix.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the algebraic manipulation needed to compute the commutator, while others express confusion about the expected matrix size. There is an exploration of whether the kets |a> and |b> possess additional structure that could affect the outcome.

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Participants question the orthonormality of the vectors and the implications this has on the calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the dimensionality of the resulting matrix, with some suggesting it may be 2x2 instead of 4x4 based on the information provided.

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How do you work out the commutator of two operators, A and B, which have been written in bra - ket notation?

alpha = a beta = b

A = 2|a><a| + |a><b| + 3|b><a|

B = |a><a| + 3|a><b| + 5|b><a| - 2|b><b|

The answer is a 4x4 matrix according to my lecturer...

Any help much appreciated!

I know the commutator is AB - BA but how do you do it for these big bra - ket eqns?
 
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Just write out AB - BA and apply the standard rules of algebra - expand and distribute. Just don't rearrange the order of terms that don't commute.

Are the two vectors |a> and |b> orthonormal? If so, then you can also use

<a|a> = <b|b> = 1

<a|b> = <b|a> = 0

If they are not orthonormal, then you cannot use the above reductions.
 
but how do you get a 4 x 4 matrix?
 
philip041 said:
B = |a><a| + 3|a><b| + 5|b><a| - 2|b><b|

This IS a matrix. Kets are column vectors and bras are row vectors.

But it looks like you should get a 2x2 matrix. Perhaps your professor misspoke?

Unless of course the kets |a> and |b> have additional internal structure that you haven't shown us.
 
ohh cheers
 
If you have an n-state system, you could create a vector in [tex]R^n[/tex] that corresponds to each (orthogonal) state. So for example, in this case, you could have that

<a| = (1 0)
<b| = (0 1)

And of course, the kets for each of the corresponding bras would just be column vectors which are transposes for each. You can just multiply everything out and it will work. I think this must be it =]
 

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