Prove Eigenvalues of an (operator)^2 are real and positive

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The discussion revolves around proving that the eigenvalues of the square of an operator, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics, are real and positive. The subject area includes linear operators and their properties, particularly focusing on Hermitian operators and their eigenvalues.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between observables and Hermitian operators, questioning how to manipulate the operator squared in Dirac notation. There are attempts to express the operator's action on eigenstates and to clarify the implications of Hermitian properties on the eigenvalues.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the properties of Hermitian operators and their implications for eigenvalues. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of initial proofs and the structure of the operator's action, but no consensus has been reached on the complete solution.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics postulates and the mathematical treatment of operators, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and relationships within the framework of the problem.

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Q: Using Dirac notation, show that if A is an observable associated with the operator A then the eigenvalues of A^2 are real and positive.

Ans: I know how to prove hermitian operators eigenvalues are real:
A ket(n) = an ket(n)
bra(n) A ket(n) = an bra(n) ket(n) = an
[bra(n) A ket(n)]* = an* bra(n) ket(n) = an*
[bra(n) A(dager) ket(n)] =[bra(n) A ket(n)] = an*
therefore, an*=an

But, I don't know how to treat an operator^2 and start this question.
 
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safekhan said:
Q: Using Dirac notation, show that if A is an observable associated with the operator A then the eigenvalues of A^2 are real and positive.

Ans: I know how to prove hermitian operators eigenvalues are real:
A ket(n) = an ket(n)
bra(n) A ket(n) = an bra(n) ket(n) = an
[bra(n) A ket(n)]* = an* bra(n) ket(n) = an*
[bra(n) A(dager) ket(n)] =[bra(n) A ket(n)] = an*
therefore, an*=an

But, I don't know how to treat an operator^2 and start this question.
What is the relation between an observable and Hermetian operators?

Can you think of a way to rewrite the operator in the expression ##\hat{A}^2 | n \rangle##?
 
Relationship: it's a postulate of QM that every dynamical observable is represented by a linear hermitian operator.

A*A ket(n) = ? but not sure what will be on the right hand side
 
safekhan said:
Relationship: it's a postulate of QM that every dynamical observable is represented by a linear hermitian operator.
Correct.

safekhan said:
A*A ket(n) = ? but not sure what will be on the right hand side
Yes, which you can write as
$$
\hat{A}^2 | n \rangle = \hat{A} \left( \hat{A} | n \rangle \right)
$$
What can you say about the contents of the parenthesis?
 
it equals =an ket(n)
than A(an ket(n)) = an A ket(n) = an (an ket (n))= an^2 ket(n)

is that correct way to do it?
 
safekhan said:
it equals =an ket(n)
than A(an ket(n)) = an A ket(n) = an (an ket (n))= an^2 ket(n)

is that correct way to do it?
Yes. Now you can use the fact that A is Hermitian to complete the answer to the problem.
 
Thanks
So for hermitian A= A(dager), but would u write (A^2)* = A*A* = A*(an* ket(n)) ...
 
safekhan said:
Thanks
So for hermitian A= A(dager), but would u write (A^2)* = A*A* = A*(an* ket(n)) ...
No, that's not what I meant. You should use the proof you gave in the OP (I don't think you need the put the proof itself in the answer, but rather use what the proof says about Hermetian operators).
 
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