Commutation relations of angular momentum with position, momentum.

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The discussion revolves around the commutation relations of angular momentum with position and momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically using the position space representation. The original poster attempts to prove the relation \(\left[L_i, x_j\right] = i\hbar\epsilon_{ijk}x_k\) and similarly for \(\left[L_i, p_j\right]\), while grappling with the implications of tensor algebra and the summation convention.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of tensor algebra and the implications of using the same index multiple times in a tensor product. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the outcome of their calculations and the assumptions about the summation convention. Others question the validity of certain tensor operations and clarify the need for understanding tensor notation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the importance of respecting tensor algebra rules and the implications of the summation convention. There is an acknowledgment of differing levels of understanding among participants regarding tensor concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a lack of clarity regarding the summation convention, which seems to be a point of confusion for the original poster. Some participants note that the original poster may be the only one familiar with tensor concepts in the course.

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Homework Statement


Using the position space representation, prove that:
\left[L_i, x_j\right] = i\hbar\epsilon_{ijk}x_k.
Similarly for \left[L_i, p_j\right].

Homework Equations


Presumably, L_i = \epsilon_{ijk}x_jp_k.
\left[x_i, p_j\right] = i\hbar\delta_{ij}.

The Attempt at a Solution


\left[L_i, x_j\right] = \epsilon_{ijk}\left[x_jp_k, x_j\right]<br /> = \epsilon_{ijk}\left(x_jp_kx_j - x_jx_jp_k\right)<br /> = \epsilon_{ijk}x_j\left(p_kx_j - x_jp_k\right)<br /> = \epsilon_{ijk}x_j\left[p_k, x_j\right]<br /> = -i\hbar\epsilon_{ijk}x_j\delta_{jk}
which is where I become confused - it seems to me that the right hand side is always zero (if the Kronecker delta is nonzero, the Levi-Civita symbol is zero, and vice-versa).

Any help is much appreciated.
 
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You should respect the laws of tensor algebra. Don't use the same index 3 times in a tensor product.

So [L_i,x_j]=\epsilon_{ikl}[x_k p_l, x_j] = ...
 
I can't edit my post ? Ok...

It's not true that epsilon times (in a tensor way) delta =0. This happens iff there's a double contracted tensor product among them.
 
That's the thing: when I asked my TA, he said that we are not to assume the summation convention. That's the source of my confusion - I have no idea what this question even means without the summation convention.

(I'm literally the only person in the course who knows what a tensor is).
 
You need the summation convention and know a little about cartesian vectors/tensors, if you're approaching the identity/equality from the all-components-at-the-same-time perspective
 

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