Compact Sets of Metric Spaces Which Are Also Open

In summary: For example, the set of all real numbers is not closed, but the set of all rational numbers is closed.
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Poopsilon
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Are there any down to Earth examples besides the empty set?

Edit: No discrete metric shenanigans either.
 
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I think [itex] \mathbb{Z}_p [/itex], the set of p-adic integers, qualifies. They are the closed unit disk in the p-adic numbers, hence closed. Every closed disk with nonzero radius in the p-adics is clopen, and [itex] \mathbb{Z}_p [/itex] is sequentially compact.

Actually, I think any disk in [itex] \mathbb{Q}_p [/itex] would work.

I'm not sure if you'd count that as "down-to-earth."
 
  • #3
A compact subset of a metric space is closed. A closed open subset of a connected metric space is the whole space or the empty set. You need to look at metric spaces that are not connected.
 
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I'm confused, so there are such open compact sets, but only in non-connected metric spaces?
 
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Poopsilon said:
I'm confused, so there are such open compact sets, but only in non-connected metric spaces?

I think that's correct. Suppose we have a nonempty proper subset S of a metric space X with S open and compact. As deluks said, then S is closed, hence clopen. Then S and [itex] X \setminus S [/itex] are both open, disjoint, and nonempty and [itex] X = S \cup (X \setminus S)[/itex]. Therefore X is disconnected.

Incidentally, the p-adic numbers are totally disconnected.
 
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What is the simplest disconnected metric space you can think of? I'd be willing to bet it works. There are very simple examples.
 
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The union of two disjoint compact subspaces of a metric space will work. Metric spaces are normal, so this union will be disconnected. The simplest would be a two-point metric space if you don't accept the empty or singleton metric space, but any metric space will do. Just consider sufficiently small closed balls around two different points.
 
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For example, if X is [itex][0, 1]\cup[2, 3][/itex], with the topology inherited from R, then both [0,1] and [2, 3] are compact and open in X.
 
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deluks917 said:
A compact subset of a metric space is closed.

Only in Hausdorff spaces. There are non-Hausdorff spaces with compact sets which are not closed.

For example, take X an infinite set and equip it with the finite complement topology:

[tex]\mathcal{T}=\{A\subseteq X~\vert~X\setminus A~\text{is finite}\}[/tex]

then all subsets of X are compact, and so are the open subsets. But of course, not all subsets are closed.

This is an example of a noetherian space (= a space in which all open subsets are compact). They arise naturally in algebraic geometry.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I saw now that they were asking for a metric space. But I'll leave my answer here because it might be useful to some.
 
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Deluks917 wrote, in part:

"A compact subset of a metric space is closed"

Just a quick comment, to refresh my metric topology: an argument for why compact subsets X of metric spaces M are closed: as metric subspaces, compact metric spaces are complete. Now, use closed set version that a subset is closed iff (def.) it contains all its limit points. Now, assume there is a limit point m of X that is not in X. Then you can construct a Cauchy sequence in X that would converge to m, e.g., by taking balls B(m, 1/2n), but then X cannot be complete, since m is not in X.
 
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Bacle2 said:
Deluks917 wrote, in part:

"A compact subset of a metric space is closed"

Just a quick comment, to refresh my metric topology: an argument for why compact subsets X of metric spaces M are closed: as metric subspaces, compact metric spaces are complete. Now, use closed set version that a subset is closed iff (def.) it contains all its limit points. Now, assume there is a limit point m of X that is not in X. Then you can construct a Cauchy sequence in X that would converge to m, e.g., by taking balls B(m, 1/2n), but then X cannot be complete, since m is not in X.

Indeed. Do notice that you have used here that limits of sequences are unique! The argument does not hold for pseudo-metric spaces.
 

1. What is a compact set of metric spaces that is also open?

A compact set of metric spaces that is also open is a subset of a metric space that is both compact and open. This means that the set contains all of its limit points and is also contained within an open ball of finite radius centered at each point.

2. How is a compact set of metric spaces that is also open different from just a compact set?

A compact set of metric spaces that is also open is a subset of a metric space that is both compact and open. This is different from just a compact set, which only requires the set to contain all of its limit points and does not necessarily have to be contained within an open ball of finite radius.

3. Can a compact set of metric spaces that is also open be unbounded?

No, a compact set of metric spaces that is also open cannot be unbounded. By definition, a compact set must be bounded, and if it is also open, it cannot extend infinitely in any direction.

4. What is an example of a compact set of metric spaces that is also open?

An example of a compact set of metric spaces that is also open is the closed interval [0,1] in the metric space of real numbers. This set contains all of its limit points and is also contained within an open ball of finite radius centered at each point.

5. What is the significance of a compact set of metric spaces that is also open in mathematics?

A compact set of metric spaces that is also open has significant implications in mathematics, particularly in analysis and topology. It allows for the development of important theorems and concepts, such as the Heine-Borel theorem, which states that a subset of Euclidean space is compact if and only if it is both closed and bounded.

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