Compactness and space dimension question

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between compactness and dimensionality in the context of functional analysis, particularly focusing on the properties of equicontinuous functions and their implications for compactness in infinite-dimensional spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the apparent contradiction between the compactness of the unit ball in finite-dimensional spaces and the Arzela-Ascoli theorem regarding equicontinuous functions.
  • Another participant notes that while the limit of an equicontinuous uniformly converging sequence is continuous, it may not be equicontinuous, suggesting that closure may not hold, thus questioning compactness.
  • A different participant proposes using an epsilon/3 argument to connect uniform convergence and continuity, but later questions the closure properties of equicontinuous functions under addition and scalar multiplication.
  • One participant emphasizes that equicontinuity is a property of sets of functions rather than individual functions, challenging the formulation of the original set S.
  • Another participant reiterates that the set of equicontinuous functions cannot be considered a vector space unless it satisfies the necessary properties.
  • One participant suggests that the first theorem's applicability to vector spaces rather than general sets could be explored by analyzing the proof to identify which properties are essential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of equicontinuity and its implications for compactness, with no consensus reached on the validity of the original formulation of the set S or the applicability of the theorems discussed.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and properties of equicontinuous functions, the requirements for compactness in infinite-dimensional spaces, and the specific conditions under which the theorems apply.

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I am having trouble accepting two well known results of analysis as non contradictory.

First, given a vector space equipped with norm ||.||, the unit ball is compact iff the space is finite dimensional.

Second, the Arzela-Ascoli theorem asserts that given a compact set X, a set S contained in the space of all continuous functions f(X) equipped with the supremum norm is compact iff it is uniformly closed, uniformly bounded and equicontinuous.

My problem is the following: let S be the set of all equicontinuous functions on X with ||f|| <= 1, where ||.|| is the supremum norm. Is the space of all equicontinuous functions not an infinite dimensional subspace? Yet S is compact.

I realize there is something fundamental I'm not getting. Please help! :confused:
 
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The limit of an equicontinuous uniformly converging sequence is continuous, but not necessarily equicontinuous if I recall correctly. Hence you don't have closure, and thus the space isn't compact.

I've never really done anything with equicontinuous functions, so I could be wrong
 
Can't we use an epsilon/3 argument, just as in the proof that uniform convergence of continuous functions => continuity of the limit? In this case, the given delta valid for fn will be the one used for f, so f will be part of the equicontinuous family.

Now that I think of it, though, I don't think that the set of equicontinuous functions is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, hence it is not a subspace.

Nonetheless, it's still foggy to me why the first thm applies only to vector spaces, and not sets.
 
Well, it needs to be a vector space for norm, unit ball and finite dimensional to be defined.
 
It can be a subset of a vector space.
 
It doesn't make sense to speak of an equicontinuous function. Equicontinuity is a property of sets of functions.

So in your original post, the following bit is nonsensical:
Epsilon36819 said:
let S be the set of all equicontinuous functions on X with ||f|| <= 1
 
Epsilon36819 said:
It can be a subset of a vector space.

In such a case there's no reason to believe it contains any unit vectors. And the set still has no dimension on it unless it's a vector space itself
 
Epsilon36819 said:
Nonetheless, it's still foggy to me why the first thm applies only to vector spaces, and not sets.
One common thing to do in mathematics is to generalize a theorem by carefully studying its proof, and removing unused hypotheses, or weakening overly strong hypotheses.

So, you could try to do that here -- study the proof to see exactly what properties of "normed vector spaces", "unit balls", and "dimension' are being used here, and which aren't.
 

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