Comparing Atom Sizes: Be vs B & P vs Cl

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of atomic sizes between pairs of elements: Beryllium (Be) vs Boron (B) and Phosphorus (P) vs Chlorine (Cl). Participants explore the reasoning behind atomic size trends across periods in the periodic table, specifically addressing how nuclear charge and electron configuration influence atomic dimensions.

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  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that Be is larger than B and P is larger than Cl, questioning the reasoning behind these assertions.
  • Another participant suggests imagining oneself as an electron in the outermost shell, discussing how the attraction to the nucleus changes with the number of protons and neutrons.
  • A participant questions whether the trend of atomic size decreasing across a period continues indefinitely, proposing that the addition of sublevels may counteract the nuclear pull at larger atomic sizes.
  • Another response explains that as one moves to the right in a period, the increasing number of protons draws electrons closer to the nucleus, resulting in smaller atomic size until a new electron shell is reached.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the trends of atomic size, particularly regarding the influence of electron sublevels and the extent to which nuclear charge affects atomic dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as nuclear charge and electron shells, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the behavior of electrons and the effects of additional sublevels on atomic size. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Homework Statement


I have a few questions here that say to identify which atom from each pair is larger.

One pair is Be and B, and the other is P and Cl.


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N/A


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that Be is larger than B, and that P is larger than Cl. I'm just having trouble understanding why. Is there some rule of thumb that says that sizes of atoms increase when you go across a period? What is the reasoning behind this?
 
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Imagine you are an electron in the outermost shell of these pairs of elements. You are negatively charged and attracted to the positive nucleus. How close you are to the nucleus is determined by the magnitude of the charge exerted on you by the nucleus. All of the other electrons in the outermost shell feel the same forces as you. Now add a couple of protons and neutrons to the same nucleus. Are you more strongly or less strongly attracted to the nucleus? How would that affect your distance from the nucleus?
 
So you're saying that, since the elements that are further down a period have more positive charges in the nucleus, the outer electrons are condensed inward and therefore the atom is smaller? At what point does this stop being true?

Further down in the periodic table, as the number of total electrons gets larger, won't the addition of sublevels overpower the nucleus wanting to pull the electrons closer? Judging by the comparison of some larger elements' molar volumes to those of smaller elements, I would think that must be the case.
 
To answer the first part of your post: You can think of the electrons being drawn closer to the nucleus as you go to the right in a period because the number of protons increases and so attracts the electrons more. Once you move to a new shell, the atom is larger since the new outer shell is further away from the nucleus.
 

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