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whosapopstar? said:What i ask is, to assume that light changes its speed, and then to prove this possibility wrong.
i think that i describe clearly what i mean by light changing its speed, isn't it so? If i did not describe very well what I call 'light changing its speed', please let me known and I will try to make it as clear as possible.
I haven't seen you state it at all which probably means I just missed the message. I've looked at both your diagrams and the associated posts and a few around them and haven't spotted it so can you tell me the message number where you define it.
Basically what i am describing relies on the fact that according to all experiments, light and electric signal always arrive together to clock.
In that case there are two more problems, firstly you haven't shown where there are clocks or cable in your diagram and secondly electrical signals in copper wire travel at about 60% of the speed of light in the rest frame of the wire. The way that transforms between frames will be similar to Fizeau's experiments on light in flowing water.
Now if we assume a different speed for light and electric signal in spaceship 3, with respect to the electric signal that moves just under them, in spaceship 2, then in spaceship 2 the physical law that says that light and signal arrive together, will not preserve itself anymore, in contradiction to every possible experiment. Hence it is not possible.
If I have an error in this chain of arguments, where is it?
Well the obvious point I have to make is that you have not done any calculations to create your argument. What you need to do is define the motion of the individual detectors and calculate where and when the flash (or the leading edge of the light being switched on) hits each. Then transform those into craft coordinates using the Lorentz Transforms. If you have electrical cables going to clocks, do the same for those signals. Then calculate the proper time between each signal arrival at each clock and see if there are any differences.
.. there will be no need for any angle calculation, since i will put spaceship 3 very close over spaceship 2 floor and electric cable, at a negligible height.
No problem, assume the cables are parallel to the direction of motion and ignore lateral displacement.
i think that if i describe in an accepted way, what does light changing its speed mean, and then i negate this possibility, what i gain is the definition of light not changing its speed.
If you apply the Lorentz Transforms properly, you will find that everyone measures the same speed.
Since it took me a lot of effort to get to that scenario, i'd rather not change it and rather try to find an error in it so i will understand things in the way that i think of them, if logically right or wrong.
OK, you can use the rising edge of the light being switched on as equivalent to the flash, you just need something that happens at a well defined instant, not something with a duration.