Comparing Gradient: Highest & Lowest, Vector/Scalar?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gradient in the context of linear equations, specifically comparing the gradients of three lines represented by their equations. Participants explore whether gradient is a vector or scalar quantity and how to interpret the terms "highest gradient" and "steepest gradient." The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks which of the three lines has the highest and lowest gradient and questions whether gradient is a vector or scalar quantity.
  • Another participant suggests that gradient is usually regarded as a vector quantity, indicating that Line 1 has the highest gradient, while also noting that Line 3 has the steepest gradient.
  • A third participant clarifies that in the US, "slope" is the preferred term for what is referred to as "gradient" in other contexts, providing the slopes of the lines as 3, 0, and -4, respectively, and stating that Line 3 is the steepest despite having a negative slope.
  • One participant questions the difference between "highest gradient" and "steepest gradient," suggesting that while Line 1 has the highest gradient, Line 3 has the steepest gradient.
  • Several participants recommend providing both interpretations in an assignment context if the lecturer's intent is unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether gradient should be considered a vector or scalar quantity. There is no consensus on the terminology used to describe the gradients, with some favoring "highest gradient" and others "steepest gradient." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the use of different terms for gradient and slope, as well as the context-dependent interpretation of "highest" versus "steepest." There is also an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in assignment questions regarding the intended meaning of gradient.

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If, let say, I have 3 equation of lines:
Line 1: y = 3x + 10
Line 2: y = 0
Line 3: y = -4x

which line has the highest and lowest gradient?

Is gradient in equation of line vector quantity or scalar quantity?

Do we say gradient = 0 is higher than gradient = -4 or is gradient = -4 is higher than 0 because the gradient is only "directed" downwards?

Thanks
 
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Usually it would be regarded as a vector quantity, so that Line 1 has the highest gradient.
A term that is sometimes used for gradient as a scalar is 'steep'. We would say the Line 3 has the steepest gradient.

If it is an assignment question and you are not sure what the lecturer intended, I suggest you give both answers and explain why they are different.
 
The three equations are those of lines. The terminology we use in the US is "slope," as "gradient" is usually reserved to the discussion multivariate functions.
For example, if ##w = f(x, y, z)## is a function of three variables, the gradient of f, denoted ##\nabla f## can be written as ##\nabla f = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \textbf i + \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\textbf j + \frac{\partial f}{\partial z} \textbf k##.

The slopes of the three lines are 3, 0, and -4, respectively. Although -4 < 0 < 3, the third line is the steepest.
 
andrewkirk said:
Usually it would be regarded as a vector quantity, so that Line 1 has the highest gradient.
A term that is sometimes used for gradient as a scalar is 'steep'. We would say the Line 3 has the steepest gradient.
Is there difference between "highest gradient" and "steepest gradient"?
If I want to find highest gradient, it is line 1 but if I want to find steepest gradient, it is line 3?

If it is an assignment question and you are not sure what the lecturer intended, I suggest you give both answers and explain why they are different.
I need to draw something related to gradient (slope) so I have to understand about this

Thanks
 

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