Is the Product Topology on X' x Y' Finer Than the Product Topology on X x Y?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between product topologies in the context of finer topologies. It establishes that if T' is finer than T and U' is finer than U, then the product topology on X' x Y' is indeed finer than the product topology on X x Y. A counterexample using the standard topology on ℝ demonstrates that if the topologies on X' and Y' do not contain the open sets of X and Y, respectively, the assertion fails. The key takeaway is that a finer topology must include all open sets of the coarser topology plus additional sets.

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I'm reading Topology by Munkres, and I'm having some trouble with exercise 5 on page 92 (screenshot attached).

Homework Statement


Let X and X' denote a single set in the topologies T and T', respectively; let Y and Y' denote a single set in the topologies U and U', respectively. Assume these sets are nonempty.
Show that if T' is finer than T and U' is finer than U, then the product topology on X' x Y' is finer than the product topology on X x Y.


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I think this is a counterexample...
Let T = T' = U = U' be the standard topology on ℝ. Let X = Y = Y' = (0, 1). Let X' = (2, 3).

X is open in X and Y is open in Y → X x Y is open in X x Y.
X is not a subset of X' →X is not open in X' → X x Y is not open in X' x Y'.
Hence the product topology on X' x Y' is not finer than the product topology on X x Y.
 

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So you're dropping to the subset topologies on X,X',Y and Y' right? However, the examples you've chosen are not comparable and so your result is meaningless (check Munkres, he even talks about how some topologies are not comparable). Hence the result only has meaning when you can compare the topologies.
 
in your example, the topology on X' is not finer than that on X. why? because NONE of the open sets of X (except the empty set) are even in the topology for X'.

remember, a finer topology has to be a superset of the coarser topology, so X' has to have all of the open sets of X, plus more.

the point of the exercise is to consider two differing topology structures on the same underlying space, in other words two different elements of the power set:
P(XxY), given an already-established relationship between two subsets of P(X) and P(Y).
 
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