Comparing Quasar Varying Timescales to Black Hole S Radius

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The discussion revolves around comparing the varying timescales of quasars to the Schwarzschild radius of a black hole, specifically a 10^9 solar mass black hole. The original poster is trying to understand how the time variation of a quasar relates to the size of its emitting region.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the Schwarzschild radius and expresses uncertainty about the equations related to the emitting regions of quasars. Participants question the maximum size of the emitting region based on the time scale of variation, suggesting a conceptual approach to visualize the extent of the source.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the time scale of quasar variation and the maximum size of the emitting region. Some guidance has been provided regarding the assumptions needed to estimate the size based on light travel time, and there is a recognition of the scale of the emitting region in relation to the Schwarzschild radius.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the instantaneous nature of brightness changes and the geometry of the emitting region in relation to the observer's line of sight. There is also mention of the role of the accretion disk in the emission process.

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Homework Statement



If a quasar varies on a time scale of four months, how does the maximum size of the emitting region compare with the Schwarzschild radius for a 109 MSun black hole?

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Calculating the S radius of the black hole is trivial, but I think I missed the lecture on varying quasars. I don't know of any equations for 'emitting regions' let alone how to use its rotation period to do so. Can anyone start me off on the right track?

fwiw I calculated the S radius by the eqn 3km(M/Msun) = 3 x1012 m
 
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if the source varies on a time scale of 4months what's the maximum size it can have?

hint - you are probably supposed to picture it's extent in a line of sight to you and assume the actual brightness change is instantaneous an comes from the full extent of the source.
 
mgb_phys said:
if the source varies on a time scale of 4months what's the maximum size it can have?

hint - you are probably supposed to picture it's extent in a line of sight to you and assume the actual brightness change is instantaneous an comes from the full extent of the source.


I see, so are we assuming that it can only extend to a maximum size of 4 light months?
4 light months corresponds to roughly 3.1 e15 meters, which is about 1000 times the size of the S radius of the black hole.

Does this sound right?
 
That's how I read it.
In reality the emission is going to come from a large acreation disk around the hole so it's easy to imagine that as 1000x the Rs
 

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