Comparison of internal energies: hot nail versus beaker of water

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The discussion revolves around comparing the internal energies of a heated nail and a beaker of water at room temperature. Participants explore concepts related to internal energy, average kinetic energy, and the factors influencing these properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express differing views on which substance has higher internal and average kinetic energy, with some questioning the original poster's reasoning. There is a focus on understanding the factors that affect internal energy beyond just temperature, including degrees of freedom and mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and prompting further consideration of the factors influencing internal energy. There is no clear consensus yet, as various interpretations and questions are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of different scenarios, such as varying the mass and temperature of the substances involved, and whether the context (e.g., an ocean of water) affects the comparison.

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A nail is heated in a bunsen burner flame and is about to be dropped into a beaker of water at room temperature.

a) Which of the two substances (nail or water) would you expect to initially have:

i) the highest internal energy
ii) the highest average kinetic energy

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for my answer
i) the highest internal energy (to me, it was nail)
ii) the highest average kinetic energy (to me, it was water)

I checked the answers, my logic is wrong, so I have decided to come here to ask why and the reasonsThanks everyone!
 
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i) I think nail .
iii) <W>~T because temperature of nail is higher than water.
 
Have a think about the factors that effect the internal energy. It's not just the temperature.
 
CWatters said:
Have a think about the factors that effect the internal energy. It's not just the temperature.
I think the factors that effect the internal energy are the temperature and the degrees of freedoms. Metal has 6 degrees of freedom. I don't know about the liquid.
 
The energy required to heat something up depends on three things. The Temperature change is one.

Would it make a difference if it was an ocean of water?
What would make a difference if the mass and temperature of the two objects were was the same?
 

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