Complex Analysis - Exponential Form

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The problem involves expressing the complex number ##\frac {2i} {(3e^{4+i})}## in polar form ##re^{i\theta}##. The context is within complex analysis, specifically focusing on the exponential form of complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the exponential form and how to manipulate expressions involving complex exponentials. Some express uncertainty about combining terms and converting to polar form, while others suggest different algebraic approaches to simplify the expression.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of how to handle the exponential terms in the expression. Some participants have provided partial transformations, while others are questioning the necessity of converting the numerator to polar form before proceeding. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of clarity in their textbooks regarding the manipulation of complex exponentials, which has led to confusion about the proper steps to take in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



Write the given numbers in the polar form ##re^{i\theta}##.

## \frac {2i} {(3e^{4+i})} ##

Homework Equations



## z = re^(i\theta) ##

## \theta = Arg(z) ##

## r = |z| = \sqrt { x^2 + y^2 } ##

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure how to go about the exponential on the bottom of form ## e^z ##. I've read through my book now about 10 times, and don't see any info on it in any of the chapters before the problem.

If you asked me I would say the bottom was already in polar form, but that doesn't seem correct due to the form being of ## e^{x+iy} ## instead of ## e^{i\theta} ##. I also know I can rewrite ## e^{x+iy} ## as ## e^x(cos(y)+isin(y)) ##, I believe. But I'm not sure that is going to help me.

The only thing I can really do at this point is find ## Arg(z) ## for ##2i## which ends up coming out to ## + \frac \pi 2 ##. I'm not sure how to algebraically manipulate these equations to combine them to the form of ## x + iy ## so I can convert find my ## Arg(z) ## for ## e^{4+i} ##, and then I can combine the Args through the property ## Arg(\frac {z_1} {z_2}) = Arg(z_1) - Arg(z_2) ##, as well as find the total ## |z| ##, and rewrite in polar form ##|z|e^{i\theta}##
 
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RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



Write the given numbers in the polar form ##re^{i\theta}##.

## \frac {2i} {(3e^{4+i})} ##
The above is equal to ##\frac {2i} 3 e^{-4 - i}##
Can you continue from there?
RyanTAsher said:

Homework Equations



## z = re^(i\theta) ##

## \theta = Arg(z) ##

## r = |z| = \sqrt { x^2 + y^2 } ##

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure how to go about the exponential on the bottom of form ## e^z ##. I've read through my book now about 10 times, and don't see any info on it in any of the chapters before the problem.

If you asked me I would say the bottom was already in polar form, but that doesn't seem correct due to the form being of ## e^{x+iy} ## instead of ## e^{i\theta} ##. I also know I can rewrite ## e^{x+iy} ## as ## e^x(cos(y)+isin(y)) ##, I believe. But I'm not sure that is going to help me.

The only thing I can really do at this point is find ## Arg(z) ## for ##2i## which ends up coming out to ## + \frac \pi 2 ##. I'm not sure how to algebraically manipulate these equations to combine them to the form of ## x + iy ## so I can convert find my ## Arg(z) ## for ## e^{4+i} ##, and then I can combine the Args through the property ## Arg(\frac {z_1} {z_2}) = Arg(z_1) - Arg(z_2) ##, as well as find the total ## |z| ##, and rewrite in polar form ##|z|e^{i\theta}##
 
Mark44 said:
The above is equal to ##\frac {2i} 3 e^{-4 - i}##
Can you continue from there?

I can see how you got what you posted above, but I still am not sure how to deal with the exponential.
 
RyanTAsher said:
I can see how you got what you posted above, but I still am not sure how to deal with the exponential.
##e^{a + b} = e^a \cdot e^b##
 
Mark44 said:
##e^{a + b} = e^a \cdot e^b##

So there is no way to get both the ##i## terms together?
 
I've come up with the solution, in case anyone views this thread with the same question.

You have to convert the top to polar first, which will then allow you to combine the i terms.

## \frac {2i} {3e^{4+i}} = \frac {2e^{\frac \pi 2 i}} {3e^4e^i} = \frac {2} {3e^4} e^{i(\frac \pi 2 -1)} ##
 
RyanTAsher said:
I've come up with the solution, in case anyone views this thread with the same question.

You have to convert the top to polar first, which will then allow you to combine the i terms.

## \frac {2i} {3e^{4+i}} = \frac {2e^{\frac \pi 2 i}} {3e^4e^i} = \frac {2} {3e^4} e^{i(\frac \pi 2 -1)} ##
No, you don't have to convert the numerator to polar first.
## \frac {2i} {3e^{4+i}} = \frac 2 3 i e^{-4 - i} = \frac 2 3 i e^{-4}e^{-i} = \frac{2e^{-4}}3 ie^{-i}##
##= \frac{2e^{-4}}3 i(\cos(1) - i\sin(1)) = \frac{2e^{-4}}3 (sin(1) + i\cos(1) = \frac{2e^{-4}}3 (\cos(\pi/2 - 1) + i\sin(\pi/2 - 1)) = \frac{2e^{-4}}3 e^{i(\pi/2 - 1)}##
 

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