Complex Fourier transform (represented by Σ)

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of a specific equation (Eq.(2.3a)) related to the complex Fourier transform, particularly focusing on the transition from integral representations to summation forms. Participants explore the implications of different representations of Fourier coefficients and seek clarification on the methodology presented in a referenced paper.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving Eq.(2.3a) and questions the use of summation (Σ) instead of integral forms for Fourier coefficients.
  • Another participant suggests considering the properties of evenness and oddness of specific trigonometric functions when transitioning from integration to summation.
  • A participant inquires whether they can use specific values for time and frequency in their derivation, noting that the paper does not clarify these parameters.
  • One participant confirms that approximating integrals with discrete summations is valid and advises looking at the definition of an integral as a limit of discrete summations.
  • A later reply indicates that the author of the paper suggests a general overview initially, implying that detailed explanations will follow, which may alleviate some confusion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process or the appropriateness of using summation versus integration. There are multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the derivation.

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Participants note the lack of clarity in the paper regarding certain parameters and the transition from integral to summation forms, which may affect their understanding and derivation process.

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I can't understand how to derive fourier transform(described by Σ).
Dear all.

I can't understand how to derive Eq.(2.3a).

Fourier coefficients, ##A_j## and ##B_j## are described by summation in this paper as (2.2). I think this is weird.
Because this paper said "In this section 2.1 ,the Fourier transform is introduced in very general terms".
and I understand Fourier coefficients as integral.( I think integral version is more general than ##Σ## version.) so I'm confused.

I would like to ask you how to derive (2.3a) in this paper( in ##Σ## version).
(this is the paper I readFourier_techniques.pdf)

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Assume that you are integrating from ##-T## to ##+T##, and consider the evenness or oddness of ##\cos^2\omega_jt##, ##\sin^2\omega_jt##, and ##\sin\omega_jt\cos\omega_jt##. Then take the small step from integration to discrete summation.
 
I appreciate for you, @tnich.

Can I use ##t_k=kT/N,ω_j=2πj/T##in the process to derive (2.2)??
This paper does not say anything about ##ω_j## in section 2.1.
So you say like this??Can I approximate to Σ from integral?
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Yes, I am saying that you can approximate the integrals with discrete summations. Try looking at the definition of an integral as a limit of discrete summations to see how to do the approximation.
I am having trouble reading your derivation, so I don't know if you got it right. I see that you kept ##k## and ##t_k## in the integral. I think you need to integrate over ##t## from ##-T## to ##+T##.
But, that said, on page 2 the author says that this section is a general overview and that he will go into the details later. If you understand the general idea, I would be tempted to just read on.
 
Ok, I think I got it😊
Thanks for your kindness,@tnich!
 
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