Complex Impedance of a voltage source and 2 resistors

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The discussion revolves around a real voltage source modeled as an ideal voltage source in series with a resistor, representing its internal resistance. The problem involves determining the current, non-dc power dissipated in a second resistor, and the conditions for maximum power dissipation, with both resistors having complex impedance.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of total impedance and its components, questioning the formulas used for power dissipation. There is discussion on the implications of using real versus complex parts of impedance in power calculations.

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Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the correct use of impedance in power calculations and the relationship between the source and load impedances. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions for maximum power transfer.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of complex impedance and its implications for power dissipation, with some noting the need to avoid terminology that conflates resistance with complex impedance.

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Homework Statement


A real voltage source can be expressed as an ideal voltage source that is in series with a resistor that represents the inner resistance of the voltage source. This voltage source is a EMF and it is also in series with another resistor. Suppose both the EMF resistor ##R_\varepsilon## and the second resistor ##R_2## have complex impedance. Determine a) The current, b) the non-dc power that is dissipated in the second resistor and c) The requirements to achieve maximum dissipated power in the second resistor.https://physicsforums-bernhardtmediall.netdna-ssl.com/data/attachments/80/80085-d91a852075e6af6d2347539788417783.jpg

Homework Equations


##\tilde{v}=\tilde{i}z##
##z_ts=z_1+z_2+\cdots##
##z=|z|e^{j\phi}##

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For part a) the total impedance will be given by ##z_t=z_1+z_2=(R_\varepsilon +ja)+(R_2+jb)=(R_\varepsilon+R_2)+j(a+b)## so ##|z|=\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}## and ##\phi=tan^{-1}(\frac{a+b}{R_\varepsilon+R_2})## then from ##\tilde{i}=\frac{\tilde{v}}{z}##

$$\tilde{i}=\frac{ve^{-j\phi}}{\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}} \\
i=\frac{v\cos(\phi)}{\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}}
$$

now for b) would the non-dc power dissipated in the second resistor be ##P=i\Im{(R_2)}=ibj##?
 

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Potatochip911 said:

Homework Statement


A real voltage source can be expressed as an ideal voltage source that is in series with a resistor that represents the inner resistance of the voltage source. This voltage source is a EMF and it is also in series with another resistor. Suppose both the EMF resistor ##R_\varepsilon## and the second resistor ##R_2## have complex impedance. Determine a) The current, b) the non-dc power that is dissipated in the second resistor and c) The requirements to achieve maximum dissipated power in the second resistor.https://physicsforums-bernhardtmediall.netdna-ssl.com/data/attachments/80/80085-d91a852075e6af6d2347539788417783.jpg

Homework Equations


##\tilde{v}=\tilde{i}z##
##z_ts=z_1+z_2+\cdots##
##z=|z|e^{j\phi}##

The Attempt at a Solution



For part a) the total impedance will be given by ##z_t=z_1+z_2=(R_\varepsilon +ja)+(R_2+jb)=(R_\varepsilon+R_2)+j(a+b)## so ##|z|=\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}## and ##\phi=tan^{-1}(\frac{a+b}{R_\varepsilon+R_2})## then from ##\tilde{i}=\frac{\tilde{v}}{z}##

$$\tilde{i}=\frac{ve^{-j\phi}}{\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}} \\
i=\frac{v\cos(\phi)}{\sqrt{(R_\varepsilon+R_2)^2+(a+b)^2}}
$$

now for b) would the non-dc power dissipated in the second resistor be ##P=i\Im{(R_2)}=ibj##?
Only the real part of the impedance dissipates power. Check your last formula. Even the dimension is incorrect.
 
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ehild said:
Only the real part of the impedance dissipates power. Check your last formula. Even the dimension is incorrect.
Whoops I also wrote ##P=IR## instead of ##P_L=i^2R_L##, so it should be ##P=i^2R_L## then?
 
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Whoops I also wrote ##P=IR## instead of ##P_L=i^2R_L##, so it should be ##P=i^2R_L## then?
Yes, if you mean that RL is the real part of z2. And you do not need the cosine term in the expression of the current as the voltage through RL is in phase with the current. You need to use the rms value of the voltage.
 
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ehild said:
Yes, if you mean that RL is the real part of z2. And you do not need the cosine term in the expression of the current as the voltage through RL is in phase with the current.
Yep & then I believe the power dissipated will be at a maximum when the two resistances are complex conjugates of the other since then the part of the denominator related to the imaginary numbers will go to 0.
 
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Yep & then I believe the power dissipated will be at a maximum when the two resistances are complex conjugates of the other since then the part of the denominator related to the imaginary numbers will go to 0.
Yes, it is right.
Do not use the word resistance for a complex impedance. The impedance of the source must be complex conjugate of the loading impedance.
 
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