Complex number epsilon-delta problem

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the real part of a complex number as it approaches a specific value, specifically the statement that \(\lim_{z\rightarrow z_0} Re\hspace{1mm}z = Re\hspace{1mm} z_0\). The context involves the epsilon-delta definition of limits in complex analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the epsilon-delta definition and explore the relationship between the distances in the complex plane and their real parts. There are attempts to establish how small \(|z-z_0|\) needs to be to ensure \(|Re(z)-Re(z_0)| < \epsilon\).

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that setting \(|z-z_0|\) smaller than \(\epsilon\) could suffice for the limit proof, while others have raised concerns about the rigor of this approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary conditions and relationships between the complex numbers and their real parts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of rigor in their arguments and the need to demonstrate certain inequalities, such as \(|Re(z)| \le |z|\), as part of the proof process.

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Homework Statement


Prove that \lim_{z\rightarrow z_0} Re\hspace{1mm}z = Re\hspace{1mm} z_0

Homework Equations


It is specifically mentioned in the text that the epsilon-delta relation should be used,

|f(z)-\omega_0| &lt; \epsilon\hspace{3mm}\text{whenever}\hspace{3mm}0&lt;|z-z_0|&lt;\delta.

Where \lim_{z\rightarrow z_0}f(z) = \omega_0
Other equations that might be useful are
|z_1+z_2| \leq |z_1| + |z_2|\hspace{3mm}\text{(Triangle inequality)}
and perhaps
Re\hspace{1mm}z \leq |Re\hspace{1mm} z| \leq |z|

The Attempt at a Solution


Here \omega_0 = Re\hspace{1mm}z_0 and f(z) = Re\hspace{1mm} z,
so we want to find a delta |z-z_0| &lt; \delta such that |Re\hspace{1mm}z - Re\hspace{1mm}z_0| &lt; \epsilon.

I am honestly not sure how to approach this. Any clues would be very helpful.

Thanks,
J
 
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Start with the fact that limz→z0z = z0.
 
jjr said:

Homework Statement


Prove that \lim_{z\rightarrow z_0} Re\hspace{1mm}z = Re\hspace{1mm} z_0

Homework Equations


It is specifically mentioned in the text that the epsilon-delta relation should be used,

|f(z)-\omega_0| &lt; \epsilon\hspace{3mm}\text{whenever}\hspace{3mm}0&lt;|z-z_0|&lt;\delta.

Where \lim_{z\rightarrow z_0}f(z) = \omega_0
Other equations that might be useful are
|z_1+z_2| \leq |z_1| + |z_2|\hspace{3mm}\text{(Triangle inequality)}
and perhaps
Re\hspace{1mm}z \leq |Re\hspace{1mm} z| \leq |z|

The Attempt at a Solution


Here \omega_0 = Re\hspace{1mm}z_0 and f(z) = Re\hspace{1mm} z,
so we want to find a delta |z-z_0| &lt; \delta such that |Re\hspace{1mm}z - Re\hspace{1mm}z_0| &lt; \epsilon.

I am honestly not sure how to approach this. Any clues would be very helpful.

Thanks,
J

Think about it. Which is larger ##|z-z_0|## or ##|Re(z)-Re(z_0)|##?
 
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Well, the distance between two complex points is definitely larger or equal to the distance between the real parts of the same points...
 
jjr said:
Well, the distance between two complex points is definitely larger or equal to the distance between the real parts of the same points...

Ok, so how small shall we make ##|z-z_0|## to make sure that ##|Re(z)-Re(z_0)| \lt \epsilon##?
 
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Hmm. I suppose that if we set |z-z_0| smaller than \epsilon, then |Re(z)-Re(z_0)| would have to be smaller than \epsilon. I.e. \delta = \epsilon?
 
jjr said:
Hmm. I suppose that if we set |z-z_0| smaller than \epsilon, then |Re(z)-Re(z_0)| would have to be smaller than \epsilon. I.e. \delta = \epsilon?

Yes.
 
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Thank you. Not too hard to see really, but I'm still not sure how to show it. Is the statement I made sufficient? I feel like it's lacking some rigor
 
jjr said:
Thank you. Not too hard to see really, but I'm still not sure how to show it. Is the statement I made sufficient? I feel like it's lacking some rigor

You just need to show ##|Re(z)| \le |z|##.
 
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Okay, I think I've got my head wrapped around it. I have another one, if you would care to have a look:

To be shown:
##\lim_{z\rightarrow z_0} \bar{z}=\bar{z_0}##

So
## |\bar{z}-\bar{z_0}|<\epsilon \to |z-z_0|<\delta##

My work:
I'm trying to find some relation between ##z,z_0## and their conjugates, so I tried setting
##\bar{z}=z-2Im(z)##
##\to |\bar{z}-\bar{z_0}| = |z-z_0-2Im(z)+2Im(z)|##.
Here I tried invoking the triangle inequality, but the expression I ended up with didn't help much.
Suggestions?

Thanks,
J

edit: typo
 
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Hint: \lvert z-z_{0}\rvert ^{2}=(z-z_{0})(\bar{z}-\bar{z_{0}})=\lvert \bar{z}-\bar{z_{0}}\rvert ^{2}
 
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Thank you. I suppose one could take the square root from both sides and obtain ##|z-z_0| = |\bar{z}-\bar{z_0}|##, which in turn enables us to set ##\delta = \epsilon##? Thinking about this again I realize that this makes sense, that the distance between two points ##z, z_0## should be the same as the distance between the same two points mirrored about the imaginary axis.
 

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