Show a limit doesn't exists, complex case

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The discussion revolves around the function f(z) = |z| and the goal of demonstrating that its derivative does not exist for any z in the complex plane. The context is complex analysis, specifically focusing on limits and the Cauchy-Riemann equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to show that the limit defining the derivative does not exist, expressing confusion about the process in complex analysis. They consider evaluating the limit under different conditions for the real and imaginary parts of z.
  • Some participants suggest checking the Cauchy-Riemann equations as a potential method for proving the non-existence of the derivative.
  • Questions arise regarding the existence of the derivative at the point z = 0, with participants discussing the implications of the derivatives U_x and U_y at that point.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the problem. Some have provided insights into the Cauchy-Riemann equations and their relevance, while others express uncertainty about limits in the complex plane. There is no explicit consensus on the final outcome, but productive dialogue continues around the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the exercise is from a complex analysis textbook and precedes the introduction of the Cauchy-Riemann equations, which may influence their approach to the problem. There is also mention of the form 0/0 encountered at z = 0, indicating potential complications in determining the existence of derivatives.

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Homework Statement



f(z) = |z|
I'm looking to show that f'(z) does not exist for any z \in ℂ.

Homework Equations



f'(z) = \lim_{z_0 → 0}{\frac{f(z) - f(z_0)}{z - z_0}}

z = x + iy = Re(z) + i Im(z)

|z| = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

The Attempt at a Solution


Clearly I just have to show that \lim_{z_0 → 0}{\frac{f(z) - f(z_0)}{z - z_0}} does not exist. However, I'm confused about how to do this. I'm unsure of how to show that a limit doesn't exist in complex analysis.

I tried to take the limit in two cases, when Re(z) = Re(z_0) and then again when Im(z) = Im(z_0). Is this the correct approach?
 
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Have you done the Cauchy-Riemann equations?
 
I was only trying to prove it with limits because it's an exercise in my complex analysis book that comes before the Cauchy-Riemann equations are introduced.

f(z) = U(x,y) + iV(x,y)

f(z) = |z| = |x + iy| = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

U(x,y) = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}
V(x,y) = 0

U_x = 0.5(x^2 + y^2)^{-1/2}(2x) = x(x^2 + y^2)^{-1/2}
U_y = y(x^2 + y^2)^{-1/2}
V_x = 0
V_y = 0

U_x ≠ V_y
U_y ≠ -V_xHowever, does the derivative exist when

x(x^2 + y^2)^{-1/2} = 0
y(x^2 + y^2)^{-1/2} = 0

i.e. when z = 0?
 
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moxy said:
I was only trying to prove it with limits because it's an exercise in my complex analysis book that comes before the Cauchy-Riemann equations are introduced.

f(z) = U(x,y) + iV(x,y)

f(z) = |z| = |x + iy| = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

U(x,y) = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}
V(x,y) = 0

U_x = 0.5(x^2 + y^2)(2x) = x(x^2 + y^2)
U_y = y(x^2 + y^2)
V_x = 0
V_y = 0

U_x ≠ V_y
U_y ≠ -V_x


However, does the derivative exist when

x(x^2 + y^2) = 0
y(x^2 + y^2) = 0

i.e. when z = 0?

U_x=x/sqrt(x^2+y^2). That's not what you wrote. And the derivatives don't exist at (x,y)=(0,0) either, for the same reason the derivative of |x| with respect to x doesn't exist at x=0.
 
Yeah, I forgot the (-1/2) exponents when I typed it out.

Okay, so z = 0 is a "potential" solution after I check the C-R equations, but then when I check it case by case, I see that the derivative doesn't exist when z = 0. Is this a correct?
 
moxy said:
Yeah, I forgot the (-1/2) exponents when I typed it out.

Okay, so z = 0 is a "potential" solution after I check the C-R equations, but then when I check it case by case, I see that the derivative doesn't exist when z = 0. Is this a correct?

Right. U_x and U_y at z=0 have the form 0/0. That doesn't tell you much. But if you look at the details, they don't exist at z=0 either.
 
Thank you! I'm still confused about limits in the complex plane and my original approach to this problem, but I'll save that for another time and another problem :) I really appreciate your help.
 

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