Complex Numbers (Exponential/Rectangular Form)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around complex numbers, specifically their representation in exponential and rectangular forms. Participants are addressing problems related to calculating angles, magnitudes, and the conversion between different forms of complex numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion about calculating angles (theta) and whether they are adding pi correctly. There are questions regarding the need to include angles in answers for certain parts and what standard form should be used when not specified. The concept of magnitude is discussed, with participants questioning whether it includes direction and how to find it. Some suggest using exponential form for calculations, while others consider the implications of converting to rectangular form.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed correctness in parts of the problem, while others are still seeking clarity on specific aspects, such as the calculation of magnitudes and the use of different forms. There is a mix of interpretations being explored, particularly regarding the necessity of converting to rectangular form and the approach to calculating A/B.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the instructions specify rectangular form for certain parts, and there is discussion about the implications of using polar coordinates versus rectangular coordinates in calculations. The distinction between magnitude and direction is also a point of confusion.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Theta = arctan (y/x)

The Attempt at a Solution


Hopefully this is the right section to post in, but I am a bit confused with complex numbers. I am working on the problems above and I just wanted to make sure I am doing each part correctly. I think A and B are correct, but I'm not 100% sure about my theta. That usually trips me up. Are my theta's correct? Did I add pi correctly where it needs it? For C and D do I need to include the angle? In my answers? it does not say what form to do C and D in so I was a bit confused about those. Is there a standard form to use when it's not given in the problem? Also, is there some way to simplify D? OR do I just leave it how I have it?

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Marcin H said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Theta = arctan (y/x)

The Attempt at a Solution


Hopefully this is the right section to post in, but I am a bit confused with complex numbers. I am working on the problems above and I just wanted to make sure I am doing each part correctly. I think A and B are correct, but I'm not 100% sure about my theta. That usually trips me up. Are my theta's correct? Did I add pi correctly where it needs it? For C and D do I need to include the angle? In my answers? it does not say what form to do C and D in so I was a bit confused about those. Is there a standard form to use when it's not given in the problem? Also, is there some way to simplify D? OR do I just leave it how I have it?

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It looks like you have done parts (a) & (b) correctly.

Part (c) asks for magnitude, so you're not finished with it.

Part (d):
AB is correct.

I think it's easier to do both AB and A/B using exponential form (also called polar form).

Change answers to rectangular form at the end.​
 
SammyS said:
Part (c) asks for magnitude, so you're not finished with it.

I thought magnitude only meant the value, without a direction. Is that what I am missing? The direction? If so, how would I find that? Would I have to somehow add the angles I found in part A and B? Angle A + Angle B?

SammyS said:
I think it's easier to do both AB and A/B using exponential form (also called polar form).

Change answers to rectangular form at the end.

Oh ok. So since AB is correct I will just leave it. For A/B I can just use the answers from part A and part B right? So when dividing the numbers will just divide like normal but then I can combine the e's to e^(7pi/4 - 5pi/4)j right? Then after that convert to rectangular form? Is that the form you should always go to if the question does not specify?
 
Marcin H said:
I thought magnitude only meant the value, without a direction. Is that what I am missing? The direction? If so, how would I find that? Would I have to somehow add the angles I found in part A and B? Angle A + Angle B?
Oh ok. So since AB is correct I will just leave it. For A/B I can just use the answers from part A and part B right? So when dividing the numbers will just divide like normal but then I can combine the e's to e^(7pi/4 - 5pi/4)j right? Then after that convert to rectangular form? Is that the form you should always go to if the question does not specify?
Concerning part (d): The instructions do specify rectangular form.

When you did parts (a) and (b), you found magnitudes by using right triangles. Do the same for part (c).
 
Marcin H said:
I thought magnitude only meant the value, without a direction. Is that what I am missing? The direction? If so, how would I find that? Would I have to somehow add the angles I found in part A and B? Angle A + Angle B?
No. The magnitude is the length. You are asked for ##\vert A+B \vert## and ##\vert A-B \vert##.
Oh ok. So since AB is correct I will just leave it. For A/B I can just use the answers from part A and part B right? So when dividing the numbers will just divide like normal but then I can combine the e's to e^(7pi/4 - 5pi/4)j right? Then after that convert to rectangular form? Is that the form you should always go to if the question does not specify?
Not always. It's just easier here. Calculate ##A/B## in polar coordinates and you will see what it is in rectangular form.

SammyS beat me ... but I've done all the calculations, so I couldn't resist ...
 
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Marcin H said:
I thought magnitude only meant the value, without a direction. Is that what I am missing? The direction? If so, how would I find that? Would I have to somehow add the angles I found in part A and B? Angle A + Angle B?

Oh ok. So since AB is correct I will just leave it. For A/B I can just use the answers from part A and part B right? So when dividing the numbers will just divide like normal but then I can combine the e's to e^(7pi/4 - 5pi/4)j right? Then after that convert to rectangular form? Is that the form you should always go to if the question does not specify?

The magnitude is your ##r## value; other names include the modulus and length. The argument is the ##\theta## value; another name for this is the phase.

For problems involving ##A/B## in rectangular form, you do not need to convert to exponential form to solve the problem. All you have to do is "rationalize" the denominator. With a complex number as the denominator, you multiply by 1 in the form of the complex conjugate of the denominator. The rest is just simplifying the algebra. Example:

##\frac{1}{3+3j} = \frac{1}{3+3j} \times 1 = \frac{1}{3+3j} \times \frac{3-3j}{3-3j} = \frac{3-3j}{(3+3j)(3-3j)} = \frac{3-3j}{18} = \frac{1}{6} - \frac{1}{6}j##
 

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