Write ##5-3i## in the polar form ##re^\left(i\theta\right)##

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The problem involves converting the complex number ##5-3i## into its polar form ##re^{i\theta}##. Participants are exploring the necessary calculations for determining the magnitude and angle of the complex number.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding the absolute value of the complex number and the corresponding sine and cosine values for the angle. There are suggestions to use the tangent function to simplify the angle calculation. Some participants express uncertainty about obtaining exact values for the angle and discuss the implications of using arctangent.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on calculating the angle and emphasizing the importance of quadrant considerations. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of finding exact algebraic values for angles, with some participants suggesting numerical methods instead.

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Participants note the importance of being aware of the quadrant in which the complex number lies and the implications for the angle calculation. There is mention of the need to ensure that calculations are performed in radians when converting to polar form.

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Homework Statement



Write ##5-3i## in the polar form ##re^\left(i\theta\right)##.

Homework Equations


$$
|z|=\sqrt {a^2+b^2}
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



First I've found the absolute value of ##z##:
$$ |z|=\sqrt {5^2+3^2}=\sqrt {34} $$.
Next, I've found $$ \sin(\theta) = \frac {-3} {\sqrt {34}} \\ \cos(\theta) = \frac {5} {\sqrt {34}}.$$ I don't know what to do next because I haven't found any exact value from these numbers...
 
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Mutatis said:

Homework Statement



Write ##5-3i## in the polar form ##re^\left(i\theta\right)##.

Homework Equations

$$
|z|=\sqrt {a^2+b^2}
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



First I've found the absolute value of ##z##:
$$ |z|=\sqrt {5^2+3^2}=\sqrt {34} $$.Next, I've found $$ \sin(\theta) = \frac {-3} {\sqrt {34}} \\ \cos(\theta) = \frac {5} {\sqrt {34}}.$$ I don't know what to do next because I haven't found any exact value from these numbers...
You may want to use ##\tan(\theta)## to get a simpler expression. One without a radical.

Solve for ##\theta##.

Take care to get ##\theta## into the correct quadrant.
 
Mutatis said:

Homework Statement



Write ##5-3i## in the polar form ##re^\left(i\theta\right)##.

Homework Equations


$$
|z|=\sqrt {a^2+b^2}
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



First I've found the absolute value of ##z##:
$$ |z|=\sqrt {5^2+3^2}=\sqrt {34} $$.
Next, I've found $$ \sin(\theta) = \frac {-3} {\sqrt {34}} \\ \cos(\theta) = \frac {5} {\sqrt {34}}.$$ I don't know what to do next because I haven't found any exact value from these numbers...

You should not be bothered by not being able to give an exact "algebraic" value for ##\theta.## Most values of ##\arcsin(u),## ##\arccos(v)## and ##\arctan(w)## do not have nice formulas, even if you have nice formulas for ##u,v,w.## That is why numerical methods are often necessary. You may be able to give a numerical value of ##\theta## to 100 decimal places but never find an "algebraic" formula for it.
 
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I did it the way you told me to. I'd wrote in terms of tg: $$ \tan \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \\ \theta = \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \\ z =\sqrt {34} \left[ \cos \left( \operatorname{arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) + i\sin \left( \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) \right] .$$ If this is right, thank you guys!
 
That's OK for this problem, but one caveat: For any value, there are two different angles 180 degrees (##\pi## radians) apart with the same tangent. The arctan function will give you the one that is between ##-\pi/2## and ##\pi/2##. Since ##5 - 3i## is in quadrant IV (between ##-\pi/2## and 0), that gives the right value here.

But for quadrants II and III, you'd have to add or subtract ##\pi##, that is change the sign of the cosine and sine. For instance if your value was ##-5 + 3i##, that would have the same tangent of (-3/5) but arctan(-3/5) is 180 degrees off.
 
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Mutatis said:
I did it the way you told me to. I'd wrote in terms of tg: $$ \tan \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \\ \theta = \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \\ z =\sqrt {34} \left[ \cos \left( \operatorname{arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) + i\sin \left( \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) \right] .$$ If this is right, thank you guys!

All this last bit is unnecessary. If you regard the polar form as ##z = r (\cos \theta + i \sin \theta)## (as most sources do), then you might as well just type ##5/\sqrt{34}## and ##-3/\sqrt{34}## instead of your ##\cos \arctan (-3/5)## and ##\sin \arctan (-3/5)##; in other words,
$$z = \sqrt{34} \left( \frac{5}{\sqrt{34}} - i \frac{3}{\sqrt{34}} \right)$$ However, if you regard the polar form as ##z = r e^{i \theta}## (as some people do, and your original question asked) then you need to find ##\theta.## In fact, ##\theta = \arctan(-3/5) = ?## some (approximate) numerical value. Substitute that numerical value into ##r e^{i \theta}## and you are done.

BTW: there is no need to write "\operatorname{arctg}..."in LaTeX; writing "\arctan ... " works perfectly well. It seems that LaTeX knows about inverse trig functions, but not about inverse hyperbolic functions such as "arcsinh", etc. In that case you need "\text{arcsinh} ... ", or "\operatorname{arcsinh} ..." if you prefer. (In fact, "operatorname" works better: it produces ##\operatorname{arcsinh} x## instead of the uglier ##\text{arcsinh} x## that "\text{arcsinh} x" produces (unless you deliberately insert a spacer).
 
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Mutatis said:
I did it the way you told me to. I'd wrote in terms of tg: $$ \tan \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) $$
That should be ##\ \tan(\theta) = \dfrac{-3}{5} ~.##
$$ \theta = \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \\ z =\sqrt {34} \left[ \cos \left( \operatorname{arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) + i\sin \left( \operatorname {arctg} \left( \frac {-3} 5 \right) \right) \right] .$$ If this is right, thank you guys!
I thought you wanted to put ##\ 5-3i \ ## in the polar form: ##\ r e^{i\theta} ##.
You have found ##r## and ##\theta##. Plug them in.

So what if ##\theta## is ##\arctan(-3/5) ##.
 
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One other important thing to note - if you do convert the angle to a decimal number, make sure you are in radians mode. When you do ## e^{i\theta} ##, θ needs to be radians.
 
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Mutatis said:

Homework Statement



Write ##5-3i## in the polar form ##re^\left(i\theta\right)##.

Hi. The other posters have already shown you how to get to the correct solution. I would just like to suggest that it is always worth drawing a diagram. Especially with complex numbers, it helps to see which quadrant you are in when calculating your arg(z) (as other posters have mentioned). Furthermore, it helps you to keep your working clear.

Hope this little tip helps.
 
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Thank you very much!
 

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