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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression sin(πt)/4 in the context of differential equations, specifically using Euler's Identity. Participants are exploring how to express this sine function in terms of complex exponentials.

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the expression using Euler's Identity and are questioning how to relate the sine function to complex exponentials. There is discussion about the implications of adding and subtracting equations involving complex exponentials.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the sine function and complex exponentials, while others express confusion about the steps needed to reach the desired form. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate the factor of 1/4 into the simplification process.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of identities and the proper setup of equations.

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Homework Statement


Hello,
I am in differential equations currently and I have a homework question regarding simplifying

sin( Pi t)/4

into

.5 * i E^(-.25 i pi t) - .5 * i E^(.25 i pi t)


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I think they might be using Euler's Identity, but I am unsure.
E^(a + ib)t = E^(at) (cos[bt] + i sin[bt])​​
 
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What happens if you subtract these two equations:$$
e^{i\theta} = \cos\theta + i\sin\theta$$ $$
e^{-i\theta} = \cos\theta - i\sin\theta$$
 
I get:

2 i Sin(theta)

Even still, how does that get me closer to my end?

Thank you.
-James
 
You didn't write the whole equation. When you add/subtract two equations you get another equation.
 
Ok,

E^(i theta) - E^(-i theta) = 2 i sin(theta)

I'm still a little bit confused as to where I can go from this.
I like the way the right hand side of the equation is looking, but I don't know what to do with the imaginary component in 2 i sin(theta)

Thanks,
-James
 
Look at what you have and what you are trying to get and what value of ##\theta## you need.
 
Ok, so I have
.5 * i E^(-.25 i pi t) - .5 * i E^(.25 i pi t)

knowing:
E^(i theta) = cos(theta) + i sin(theta)
E^(-i theta) = cos(theta) - i sin(theta)
so
.5 i E^(i theta) = .5 i (cos(theta) + i sin(theta)) = .5 (i cos(theta) - sin(theta))
.5 i E^(i -theta) = .5 i (cos(theta) - i sin(theta)) = .5 (i cos(theta) + sin(theta))

I guess we can let theta = .25 pi t
Can I say,
-.5 i E^(i theta) + .5 i E^(i -theta)
= -.5 (i cos(theta) - sin(theta)) + .5 (i cos(theta) + sin(theta))
= sin(theta)
= sin(.25 pi t)

But where does the 1/4 come into play?
 
So sorry! made a big bobo!

I want to show:
.5 * i E^(-.25 i pi t) - .5 * i E^(.25 i pi t) = Sin(pi t/4)
Using the above does just that.

Thanks so much! :)
 
You are making this way too hard. You already have this:

jlatshaw said:
Ok,

E^(i theta) - E^(-i theta) = 2 i sin(theta)

Now, instead of doing everything all over like you have here:

jlatshaw said:
Ok, so I have
.5 * i E^(-.25 i pi t) - .5 * i E^(.25 i pi t)

knowing:
E^(i theta) = cos(theta) + i sin(theta)
E^(-i theta) = cos(theta) - i sin(theta)
so
.5 i E^(i theta) = .5 i (cos(theta) + i sin(theta)) = .5 (i cos(theta) - sin(theta))
.5 i E^(i -theta) = .5 i (cos(theta) - i sin(theta)) = .5 (i cos(theta) + sin(theta))

I guess we can let theta = .25 pi t
Can I say,
-.5 i E^(i theta) + .5 i E^(i -theta)
= -.5 (i cos(theta) - sin(theta)) + .5 (i cos(theta) + sin(theta))
= sin(theta)
= sin(.25 pi t)

But where does the 1/4 come into play?

Just put your ##\theta = \frac{\pi t}{4}## in that equation you already have at the top of this post:$$
e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta} = 2i\sin\theta$$Lose the decimals, do the substitution, and solve that equation for the sine term.
 

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