Complex Variables Limit Problem(s)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating limits of complex functions, specifically focusing on the limits as \( z \) approaches specific complex numbers. The problems presented involve expressions that yield indeterminate forms, prompting participants to explore alternative methods for resolution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss factoring techniques for the numerators and denominators of the given limits. There is uncertainty about the applicability of these techniques, particularly for the second limit. Questions arise regarding the nature of the limits and whether they can be resolved without using the epsilon-delta definition.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress on the first limit, while others express confusion regarding the second limit. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, including factoring and considering the implications of complex infinity. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the limits are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the limits lead to indeterminate forms and question whether certain expressions can be factored. There is also discussion about the nature of infinity in the context of complex analysis, with references to the Riemann sphere and the concept of poles.

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Homework Statement


a) \lim_{z\to 3i}\frac{z^2 + 9}{z - 3i}
b) \lim_{z\to i}\frac{z^2 + i}{z^4 - 1}


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm assuming both of these are very, very similar, but I'm not quite sure how to solve them. I would like a method other than using ε and \delta.

If you simply plug in the limit, it's obviously indeterminate. Is there an easy method to solve these limits or is the only option to use ε and \delta? I'm not sure how to start, any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.
 
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Try factoring the numerator and/or denominators. It's quite simple from there.
 
Wow, can't believe I didn't realize that. It helped me solve a), which I ended up getting to be 6i, but b) cannot be factored (I don't think?).

If it were z^4 + 1 in the denominator then I could, but I'm pretty sure I cannot factor anything in that problem?
 
wtmore said:
Wow, can't believe I didn't realize that. It helped me solve a), which I ended up getting to be 6i, but b) cannot be factored (I don't think?).

If it were z^4 + 1 in the denominator then I could, but I'm pretty sure I cannot factor anything in that problem?

The denominator is a difference of squares. Then one of the factors has the same type of factorization as (a), namely the trick that a *sum* of squares can be factored with the use of an imaginary number.
 
SteveL27 said:
The denominator is a difference of squares. Then one of the factors has the same type of factorization as (a), namely the trick that a *sum* of squares can be factored with the use of an imaginary number.

So I have:
\frac{z^2+i}{z^4-1}=\frac{z^2+i}{(z^2-1)(z^2+1)}=\frac{z^2+i}{(z-1)(z+1)(z-i)(z+i)}
Am I missing something in the numerator?

EDIT: Would multiplying by the numerators conjugate be beneficial?
 
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wtmore said:
So I have:
\frac{z^2+i}{z^4-1}=\frac{z^2+i}{(z^2-1)(z^2+1)}=\frac{z^2+i}{(z-1)(z+1)(z-i)(z+i)}
Am I missing something in the numerator?

EDIT: Would multiplying by the numerators conjugate be beneficial?

Hmmm ... that didn't help. I'm stuck too now.
 
SteveL27 said:
Hmmm ... that didn't help. I'm stuck too now.

The second one isn't indeterminant.
 
Dick said:
The second one isn't indeterminant.

Would the answer be \pm∞?
 
wtmore said:
Would the answer be \pm∞?

Just ∞. There's only one point at infinity in the extended complex numbers. If you think of the plane, you go to infinity when you go toward the edge of the plane in any direction. There's only one complex infinity, way out there beyond the edge of the plane.

A really nice visualization is to add a single point at infinity, and identify it with the "circumference" of the plane ... take the entire plane and fold it into a sphere, with the point at infinity at the north pole. It's called the Riemann sphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere
 
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wtmore said:
Would the answer be \pm∞?

Not in the complex numbers. It's a pole. Saying "does not exist" is probably safe.
 

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