Complicated integration of complex number

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The discussion revolves around the integration of complex functions, specifically using the Cauchy integral formula and the residue theorem. Participants explore different methods for evaluating a complex contour integral involving poles and derivatives, with a focus on the appropriate application of these mathematical tools.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the Cauchy integral formula, while others propose that the residue theorem could simplify the process.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to decompose the fraction before applying the Cauchy integral formula.
  • Another participant mentions that the residue theorem might be 'forbidden' in this context, advocating for the use of the general Cauchy integral formula instead.
  • There is a discussion about the differences in the chosen functions for integration, leading to questions about the correctness of these choices.
  • Some participants argue that the residue theorem is designed to make complex contour integrals easier, while others indicate they have not learned it yet and must rely on the Cauchy integral formula.
  • One participant notes that both the Cauchy integral formula and the residue theorem, if applied correctly, should yield the same results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the preferred method for solving the integral, with multiple competing views on the use of the Cauchy integral formula versus the residue theorem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the poles and the specific contours used in the integrals. The applicability of the residue theorem is questioned, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the integration process.

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Hello.
I am not confident about this question. I think I have to use cauchy integral formula. But before that, I should decompose the fraction, right? Or is there a simpler way to do it? A friend told me that each contour only had one pole interior to it so he just used the Cauchy integral formula for the appropriate derivatives--as opposed to using a residue calculus. Is this a correct method?
 

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aruwin said:
Hello.
I am not confident about this question. I think I have to use cauchy integral formula. But before that, I should decompose the fraction, right? Or is there a simpler way to do it? A friend told me that each contour only had one pole interior to it so he just used the Cauchy integral formula for the appropriate derivatives--as opposed to using a residue calculus. Is this a correct method?

Very well!... I suppose that also in this case the residue theorem is 'forbidden', so that You have to use the general Cauchy integral formula...

$\displaystyle f^{(n)} (a) = \frac{n!}{2\ \pi\ i}\ \int_{\gamma} \frac{f(z)}{(z-a)^{n+1}}\ dz\ (1)$

If You choose $\displaystyle f(z)= \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{(z-2\ i)^{2}}$ with a little of patience You find that is...

$\displaystyle \frac{d^{2}}{d z^{2}} f(z) = 2\ e^{z^{2}}\ \frac{- 8\ z^{2} - 4 - 8\ i\ z^{3} - 4\ i\ z + 32 z^{4} - 3\ z + 3}{(z-2\ i)^{4}} = \frac{1}{8}\text {for}\ z=0\ (2)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle \int_{\gamma} \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{z^{3}\ (z - 2\ i)^{2}}\ dz = \frac{\pi\ i}{8}\ (3)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
Very well!... I suppose that also in this case the residue theorem is 'forbidden', so that You have to use the general Cauchy integral formula...

$\displaystyle f^{(n)} (a) = \frac{n!}{2\ \pi\ i}\ \int_{\gamma} \frac{f(z)}{(z-a)^{n+1}}\ dz\ (1)$

If You choose $\displaystyle f(z)= \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{(z-2\ i)^{2}}$ with a little of patience You find that is...

$\displaystyle \frac{d^{2}}{d z^{2}} f(z) = 2\ e^{z^{2}}\ \frac{- 8\ z^{2} - 4 - 8\ i\ z^{3} - 4\ i\ z + 32 z^{4} - 3\ z + 3}{(z-2\ i)^{4}} = \frac{1}{8}\text {for}\ z=0\ (2)$

... so that is...

$\displaystyle \int_{\gamma} \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{z^{3}\ (z - 2\ i)^{2}}\ dz = \frac{\pi\ i}{8}\ (3)$

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Your f(z) is different from mine. Is mine wrong?
 

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In the first one, since the pole at z = 0 (I'm assuming that the unit circle is centred at the origin) is of order 3, you evaluate its residue using $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \textrm{Res}\,\left( f, c \right) = \frac{1}{2!} \lim_{z\to c} \frac{\mathrm{d}^2}{\mathrm{d}z^2} \left[ (z - c)^3\,f(z) \right] \end{align*}$.

Then the integral is calculated as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \oint_C{ f(z)\,\mathrm{d}z } = 2\pi i \, \textrm{Res}\, \left( f, c \right) \end{align*}$.
 
aruwin said:
Your f(z) is different from mine. Is mine wrong?

What I undestood is that Your question (1) is to compute...

$\displaystyle \int_{\gamma} \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{z^{3}\ (z-2\ i)^{2}}\ (1)$

... where $\gamma$ is the unit circle... isn't it?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
What I undestood is that Your question (1) is to compute...

$\displaystyle \int_{\gamma} \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{z^{3}\ (z-2\ i)^{2}}\ (1)$

... where $\gamma$ is the unit circle... isn't it?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Yes, but then why f(z) = exp(z^2)/(z-2i)^2 ? I don't understand.
 
You are making life difficult on yourself. The Residue Theorem is designed to make calculating these complex contour integrals easier. Use it!
 
Prove It said:
You are making life difficult on yourself. The Residue Theorem is designed to make calculating these complex contour integrals easier. Use it!

No, I haven't learned that in class yet. So I have to use CIF.
 
aruwin said:
Yes, but then why f(z) = exp(z^2)/(z-2i)^2 ? I don't understand.

I apologize because I've been in a hurry!... if You observe with care the general Cauchy formula I'm sure that it will be for You fully clear!...

$\displaystyle f^{n} (a) = \frac{n!}{2\ \pi\ i}\ \int_{\gamma} \frac{f(z)}{(z-a)^{n+1}}\ dz\ (1)$

Now suppose $\displaystyle f(z)= \frac{e^{z^{2}}}{(z-2\ i)^{2}}$ and a=0...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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Prove It said:
You are making life difficult on yourself. The Residue Theorem is designed to make calculating these complex contour integrals easier. Use it!

Can you tell me how to use the residue theorem here?
 
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It is not difficult to realize that the use of Cauchy integral formula and the Residue theorem, if correctly applied, lead to the same results, so that they are absolutely equivalent...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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aruwin said:
Can you tell me how to use the residue theorem here?

Read my previous posts in this thread...
 

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