Compound lens separated by a distance

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The discussion focuses on solving a compound lens problem involving two lenses separated by a distance. The Gauss's lens equation is utilized to derive relationships between object and image distances, specifically using the equations $$\frac{1}{s} +\frac{1}{s'}=\frac{1}{f_1}$$ and $$\frac{-1}{s'-d}+\frac{1}{s''}=\frac{1}{f_2}$$. The participants identify algebraic errors and clarify that additional variables, such as the position of the equivalent lens, are necessary for a complete solution. The focal lengths of both lenses are set at 5 cm, with an object distance of 10 cm and a separation of 3 cm between the lenses.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



We will call ##s## the distance of the object from the first lens, ##s'## the distance of the image from the first lens and ##s''## the distance of the image from the second lens.

The Gauss's lens equation:
$$\frac{1}{s} +\frac{1}{s'}=\frac{1}{f_1}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



Using Gauss's lens equation we get:

$$s'=\frac{sf_1}{s-f_1} $$we can use the image from the first lens as the object for the second lens.

$$\frac{-1}{s'-d}+\frac{1}{s''}=\frac{1}{f_2} $$
Note - I feel my mistake is here, I think my algebra is correct after this.

This gets us:

$$ \frac{1}{s''}=\frac{1}{f_2}+\frac{1}{s'-d}=\frac{s-f_1}{sf_1-sd+f_1d}+\frac{1}{f_2}$$
The total focal length is given by:

$$\frac{1}{f}=\frac{1}{s}+\frac{1}{s''}=\frac{1}{s}+\frac{1}{f_2}+\frac{s-f_1}{sf_1-sd+f_1d}$$

Which doesn't get the desired result. Thank you in advance
 
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Hello Toby,
Toby_phys said:
Note - I feel my mistake is here, I think my algebra is correct after this.
Nope. Just fine.
Toby_phys said:
The total focal length is given by
Are ##s## and ##s'' ## wrt the same zero point ? No.
And: there is another unknown: the position ##x## of the equivalent lens wrt e.g. lens 1... So that$$ {1\over f} = {1\over s + x} + {1\over d + s - x} \ ...$$
Meaning you'll need another equation.

I made a drawing with f1 = f2 = 5 cm, s= 10 cm and d = 3 cm. It comes out pretty neatly (but the ## {3\over 100}## is a rather small term).
 

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