Compressed Air System Dynamics: Calculating Pressure Drop & Cv

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a compressed air system, focusing on calculating pressure drop and flow rates in relation to various components such as valves and actuators. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of pneumatic systems, including the application of Boyle's Law and the analogy between electrical and pneumatic systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a compressed air system setup and attempts to calculate the flow rate required to actuate valves within a specified time using Boyle's Law.
  • Another participant questions how to determine the optimum pipe diameter for a given flow rate, noting that increasing diameter increases volume and flow rate, while decreasing diameter restricts flow.
  • Some participants suggest that Bernoulli's principle may not apply due to the compressibility of air, seeking clarification on this point.
  • One participant proposes using software from manufacturers like Festo to simplify the problem-solving process, while another expresses skepticism about this approach being too simplistic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the calculations and principles involved in pneumatic systems, with no consensus reached on the application of Bernoulli's principle or the best approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of calculating pressure drop and flow rates in pneumatic systems, with some expressing uncertainty about the applicability of certain principles and the need for further clarification on specific concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in pneumatic system design, engineers working with compressed air systems, and those seeking to understand the dynamics of fluid flow in engineering applications may find this discussion relevant.

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I want to work out the dynamics of a compressed air system consisting of a filter/regulator unit some spool valves and a rotary actuator with all the associated fittings.

Essentially I have a 2" nominal bore compressed air line at roughly 7.5 bar, I have a system which feeds off this air main on 12mm nylon tubing to a filter/regulator unit which regulates the air to around 5 bar. This feeds a valve manifold of roughly 8 3/2 spool valves each feeding a spring return rotary actuator on 6mm nylon.

So I can calculate the total volume of each actuator and associated tubing to be xm3 Each valve has to be actuated in 0.5 seconds i.e. from 1bar (air dumped) xm3 to 5 bar xm3 in 0.5 seconds.

So by applying Boyle's Law:

p1V1=p2V2

1V1=5x

V1=5x

So I need to shift 5x in 0.5 seconds so my flow rate when the valve opens is (5x)/2m3/s is this correct?

Now here's the thing I haven't got to grips with (I'm electrically biased by trade) In electrical engineering we use ohm's law and from what I am told voltage is analogous to pressure, current is analogous to flow rate and resistance is presumably analogous to air resistance in the components that make up the system and the actuator.

In an electrical circuit I can calculate the volt drop across a resistor quite easily and I assume the same can be done with pressure drop yet I can't find any decent texts that explain this. I would like to know how to work out the pressure drop of a system and how it affects a compressed air ring main. For example when I open my spool valve it surely must have some effect on the pressure of the system?

Finally, what does Cv actually tell you? To calculate it you need flow rate and pressure drop etc. but what actually is it?

If anybody could recommend some decent text to bring me up to speed it would be much appreciated

Regards
Dan
 
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Basically what I'm saying is if I know the required flow rate how do I calculate the optimum pipe diameter capable of carrying this flow, increasing the pipe diameter increases the volume so required flow rate will increase but decreasing the pipe diameter must restrict the flow. I'm pretty sure Bernoulli's principle will not apply as the air is compressible but this needs clarification.
 
Your problem may be practically solved most simply by downloading software from Festo or another manufacturer of pneumatic components.
 
tvavanasd said:
Your problem may be practically solved most simply by downloading software from Festo or another manufacturer of pneumatic components.

But that is too easy!
 

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